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Post by cala on Feb 16, 2013 3:54:16 GMT -8
Bunny – Posts are generally tl:dr or fluffy bunny ones. Looking back and reading over a lot of walls of text at first glance, I see reasonable and sensible statements, nothing jumping out at me yet. Crazy – has commented on her singular focus on Sets, is quiet but didn’t vote day 2 as her vote wouldn’t have made a “difference” and she didn’t want to vote for FB or Riss. High on my watch list as something isn’t sitting right with me. DD – Nothing from him yesterday, but pretty consistent with his posts prior to that. Says he got the end of day time wrong on Day 2, and he got it right would have voted last minute. Nothing jumping out at me. Firebolt – has stood out to me a bit, her vote on Van for him FOI’ing so early on in the game, a couple of contradictory posts. Posts and thoughts seem a bit scattered, not sure if it’s her being a rogue, or just being “scared” at the attention she’s attracted. Still on my watch list but lower. Joly – Nothing is sticking out at me screaming rogue. She has definitely toned down her feistiness in her latest posts, but she’s been consistent with her posts. Luv – Im finding it really hard to get a read on Luv this game. I know I rely a lot on my gut when playing ROMs and my gut is giving me nothing here. Mari – Posting like someone who is nervous and trying to hide something, I also didn’t like her push on people to set themselves as invisible, why would we be encouraging people to hide or lurk? Something not sitting comfortable with me so adding her to my watchlist. Phoe – I understand she has a lot going on RL and feel for her, but can’t help feeling that instead of posting the proxy vote she could have just voted for the person highest on her list at the time. Not screaming anything major at me atm, but watching. Riss – My immediate thoughts on Riss are HWFO. A lot of retaliatory posts with a sense of panic in them, makes me think of someone trying to save their ass, it’s certainly got my roguedar buzzing and has her high up there on my FOS list. Rose – Where are you? I get she’s a new player, but I’m finding it hard to put anything when there is nothing to go on. It would be easy to see how a new person who is a rogue going into hiding more than anyone. Watching until I see/hear more. Seastar – a notoriously low poster, but when she posts it’s with reasoned arguments. Not enough there to make me think “she’s a rogue”, but I need to see more. Sets – has an aggressive playstyle, I am not liking the question he asked Riss of “are you a rogue or have you a role?” As much as I have my strong suspicions of Riss, it makes me want to hand a FoH to him for trying to force someone to out a role and give the rogues a gift. Would a rogue be so keen to get rid of one of their own and lead a charge on them, my gut tells me no. Tae – my gut always tells me Tae is a rogue. I am used to seeing Tae post concisely and with precision and good argument. The quiet Tae worries me, I have seen her be a quiet rogue in the past so for that she is still up there on my watchlist. Two – Can’t seem to get a feel on Two, a few posts are filler fluff, but he also throws in some good reasoning. Nothing jumping out at me yet. Yasmi – Yas has my roguedar twitching like a crazy person, she was happy to not respond yesterday and puzzle, making us wait until today for her answer the questions posed of her. She is happy to say we should vote early and that we have a lot of unhelpful townies, but putting off a response is surely being unhelpful herself? Up there on my list.
So in a nutshell.
My FOS’s at this moment in time are Riss, Crazy and Yasmi. Watchlist – Firebolt, Tae, Rose and Sea
Therefore I am going to vote for Riss as she is top of my FOS list at this time.
Vote Riss
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Post by Twopatch on Feb 16, 2013 4:00:12 GMT -8
Not sure. Mostly, I want to see if Crazy is even paying attention. 2patch: I don't understand what this means. You're right, from a not in my head point of view I did wrote some crap. Sorry made as much sense as this I'll try to simplify my thought process while rhyming. Mari's unvote killed the lynch. Missed lynches make the town cry. I fist pumped the air as I didnt understand why I couldnt help but assume Mari's grasping at FoI (tho not empirically believing it a rogue action) so I took the initiative, low mark of suspicion applied. word
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Post by Twopatch on Feb 16, 2013 4:07:42 GMT -8
although seriously, Does it fit in with Mari's character to let lynches go? I was seeking an answer to that. I got the impression it was the opposite, but thats just my shocking memory from a single game
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Post by DementedDuck on Feb 16, 2013 4:43:42 GMT -8
I'm at a university open day today so I can't post anything substantial until tonight. And I'm blockading tonight, so I might not even get to post substantially tonight.
There's not much for me to say, anyway, because I'm voting riss and most of the posts have been about her. I agree with Sets about voting Crazy, should riss flip rogue.
And firebolt, you messed up the votecount because my vote wasn't a new vote - I moved from you to riss. I don't think we ever had 13 votes.
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Post by yasmi on Feb 16, 2013 4:48:52 GMT -8
First of all Cala yes I do puzzle instead of writting because my head was soo drained and I was lacking any concentration, if you have a problem with that the I am sorry I am not changing my way of being to indulge your curiosity. Also all you have done so far was post a list of general impressions on people so I dont think you are helpful at all.
Joly I am afraid my feelings towards you are mutual. For some reason you name screams rogue at me but I have no plausible explanation, just a hunch.
Now I have seen several people are asking me questions and I am doing some re reading while I write this post, but from top of my head I recall being asked who I am suspicious of.
I have suspicions towards the following people: DD, Taelac, Joly, Cala
Leaning Innocent towards: Sets, Firebolt, Riss
Luv and Bunny are hard to read for me.
All the rest I am still deciding where to stick, some of them stand out as non posters.
I am currently at work, I will read through last day and post some more . At the moment I am inclined to vote for my suspicions but I do agree that we need a lynch otherwise we will not have any information.
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Post by Twopatch on Feb 16, 2013 5:04:23 GMT -8
Hi Yasmi, I understand wanting a break, this game can be intense.
So do you think both Joly and Tae are rogues together? If one flipped rogue would you lower suspicion on the other?
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Post by cala on Feb 16, 2013 5:08:24 GMT -8
Retaliate much Yas?
I am interested in your thoughts on the whole Sets/Riss debate if you are leaning towards them both being innocent, care to enlighten?
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Post by Twopatch on Feb 16, 2013 5:26:25 GMT -8
TBH Cala, I suspect it could be the case. They wouldn't know each others status. Sets has a bone, Riss is retaliating
I have read a couple of things that suggest I should trust Sets, but at the same time in my own head, I don't think we are on the right trail. So I am in the same court that Yasmi is on that one. I lean neutral on Riss, and Innocent on Sets. For that reason I am absolutely curious as to how this is going to pan out. I wont be voting Sets, But I don't join a bandwagon unless I feel compelled to believe the target is rogue.
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Post by Marinated on Feb 16, 2013 5:45:17 GMT -8
Riss, @xxx is a new and, in my opinion, dumb convention that has leaked over from Twitter. Pretty sure it pre-dates Twitter and I find it's quite a useful aid to highlighting a question directed at a specific individual. But it certainly shouldn't be expected to be there. I read that post through twice after typing it and STILL missed that. And yeah, Arge was the only person who ever actually did get caught in an Argemone Booch as a rogue. Lyaka was caught for it too. Haz also did it as a rogue but I don't think it was spotted at the time. I've been watching the interplay between Bunny, Riss, Sets among others but haven't come to any conclusions there apart from the fact that they seem to be going round in circles a bit (there's more than that but I've got to dash). I don't like Sets asking Riss to claim. I usually can't read Luvessy at all but this time my gut is telling me rogue there. I wouldn't be surprised if Jolyma, Luvessy and Yasmi were rogues together. Maybe Phoenix too. Or Rosegold (still waiting for a reply from her). Willing to vote Jolyma, Yasmi or Luvessy today unless something comes up to change that as I'm still not quite caught up. Up to post 527.
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Post by yasmi on Feb 16, 2013 5:49:33 GMT -8
Hi Yasmi, I understand wanting a break, this game can be intense. So do you think both Joly and Tae are rogues together? If one flipped rogue would you lower suspicion on the other? No I dont think they are rogues together, if one flips rogue the other one will lower my suspicions.
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Post by yasmi on Feb 16, 2013 5:51:28 GMT -8
and i am glad you re following my train of thoughts Twopatch, like i stated i am at work but reading in between.
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Post by Bunnylaroo on Feb 16, 2013 5:57:38 GMT -8
Cala, you'll be happy to hear that i lost a long post because i'm posting from my phone in bed and the broswer crashed, losing the whole thing. So maybe you won't need to tl;dr this one. But, hypocrisy much? Your "thoughts on everybody with spaces for nobody" post was the first true wall I've seen all game. And i still read it!
Having slept on it, i can't figure out why the rogues didn't push a lynch through on Riss yesterday if she's innocent. Her neck was in the noose then - if she's innocent I think they would have kicked the chair out from under her. Especially if they suspected she had a role. Why "wait and investigate", supposing they have that ability, when they could have found out by pushing the lynch through?
On the other hand, if she's a rogue, why didn't they push a lynch on someone else? There were 3 people neck and neck for the lynch, so they could have piled on someone else. Perhaps there was another rogue on the block? If Riss flips rogue, I will be looking back at Tae and firebolt. Particularly Tae, because Riss could have tied it herself by voting Tae but didn't. I realize riss voted firebolt and Firebolt is voting Riss, but at this point it could be for distance.
Wary of the spat of Riss votes, but i can't see why events would have transpired the way they did with her as an innocent, so I will
Vote: Riss
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Post by firebolt153 on Feb 16, 2013 6:36:41 GMT -8
Take two on firebolt using her counting skills. By my tally this is the vote count:
Riss: [Sets, DD, firebolt, Phoenix, cala, Bunny] 6 Taelac: [Twopatch,] 1 Jolyma: [Marinated] 1 Sets: [Crazy, Riss] 2 Yasmi: [Jolyma] 1
Votes: 11
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Post by yasmi on Feb 16, 2013 7:26:41 GMT -8
I am right now going through Twopatch´s #461 and I thought "ditto" in regards to most he wrote, specially in regards to Taelac. I am honestly inclined to vote there again, I am more inclined to believe that she is a rogue rather than Joly. I am used to a hands-on game Taelac, questioning everyone and everything, hence I wrote some sarcastic remark in parenthesis in one of my posts before, because I was expecting some sort of comment but it never came. Marinated's unvote at the last minute just came as a surprise for me but from what I have played with her she could be doing that move independently if she is a rogue or an innocent. DD is also posting different and less aggressive. When he was more aggressive I used to think he was innocent; maybe he was voicing himself more for me. Cala is clever, she asks questions but makes no theories, she calls out people for non-content when the same could be applied to her, so she is also making me raise eyebrows. After reading Marinated's (post #485) I am more inclined to think she could be innocent and is trying to find rogues. Now to answer you Marinated, I didn't mean to call you out like that, at that point I had no impression of you and was hoping you write more so I could make a bit more judgement. Also in relation to my post #419, at that point I was convinced that Riss is innocent and I did not want to see an innocent person being lynched. OH and Cala I do not retaliate (answer to post #606), first of all you barely write something, secondly a long list of people does not help me finding rogues. Sets is aggressive and whatever else I refuse to call him , but he is like that whether he is rogue or innocent. A lot of what he writes and his theories make sense to me and I do not think he is rogue. Also I dont think he is role fishing since everyone knows how it does not help town at all. In regards to Riss, therei s nothing there that would make me think that she is not innocent, true that she has not screamed yet that RNG clearly hates her, but I don't think she was enough under pressure to "claim": whether she has a role or is RI is utterly insignificant. I am gonna vote now, subject to any drastic changes
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Post by yasmi on Feb 16, 2013 7:28:49 GMT -8
And gosh didnt find the bold in the quick reply so a post with my vote. I dont think Tae is playing to her full potential, she is not rogue hunting and seems to be getting away with her lack of contribution. I could change my mind later, but right now I am comfortable with the vote:
Vote: Taelac
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Post by Luvessy on Feb 16, 2013 7:29:40 GMT -8
Bunny said:
Or, perhaps they we all innocent and the rogues felt no pressure to push for one over the other. A non-lynch doesn't really hurt the rogues, either, as it denies the town info and stretches debate another day.
Besides, we're presumably talking about the actions of maybe four people. Do you think they would all vote together? Do you think they all voted?
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Post by Bunnylaroo on Feb 16, 2013 7:57:59 GMT -8
Luv - I can't picture a rogue team that's going to sit back and not vote so as to confuse the town. But I suppose that is a possibility that I had not considered.
I'm not saying "the four non voters must all be rogues". I just think that if everyone who was tied yesterday was innocent, we would have had a lynch.
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Post by Twopatch on Feb 16, 2013 8:00:16 GMT -8
Bunny that sounds almost sensible, can you develop that idea for my brain please?
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Post by Jolyma on Feb 16, 2013 8:04:48 GMT -8
I think that's worth a comment, because it is a good point to discuss...
I do not think the rogues all voted together in Day 2, and if one of the 3 leaders was a rogue, there is a chance that some did not vote at all.
I used to think that a 'saved' person was a guilty person all the time, because it went that way for some time, but then, innocents started getting saved like that because of a shift in game play thought. Now, it happens both ways. I think it's worth keeping an eye on those saved, and those who were involved in the saving, but I no longer believe it to be the sole reason to vote someone.
This is my last post of the Day. I'll return Monday afternoon, assuming I am still around.
It doesn't appear to be wholly necessary, but I will leave a proxy to be used only in case it is needed to secure a lunch.
Proxy to Bunny or Luvessy, whoever picks it up first, to expire at Day End.
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Post by yasmi on Feb 16, 2013 8:11:26 GMT -8
Have a good trip Joly but I am sure you want Bunny or Luv to secure your "lynch" not lunch.
And to answer Luv's question I dont think all rogues voted, we barely are getting votes to meat the lynch quota. I wouldnt be surprised if we had one or two rogues having a really low profile and getting away with it.
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Post by Bunnylaroo on Feb 16, 2013 8:12:37 GMT -8
Twopatch - I don't know how to expand it further than I did in the post which Luv quoted. Plus I'm in the car with someone, rudely ROMSing when I should be being social.
Joly - that's not the only reason I'm voting, FWIW. It was just a further reason.
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Post by Twopatch on Feb 16, 2013 8:15:10 GMT -8
but my brain hurts, I need to think hard about this one
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Post by Setsusa on Feb 16, 2013 8:16:53 GMT -8
Yeah Bunny can you develop that fully developed idea.
I'm glad that Yasmi is typing real some nice posts to read, even if I don't agree with some of her thoughts. One question I have is how does Cala offering her thoughts on (I think?) all of the alive players not help you to find rogues?
Also, since this seems to be catching on, whether because people really believe it or just see it a bunch in skimming, my question to Riss was rhetorical. I don't think anyone thinks she would have actually answered it, even though I stated that it was a real question.
And someone needs to define rolefish. Because either it doesn't have the definition that its wording would imply, or quite a few of us are believing some of the things I'm saying and not the other part in regards to it. Or - someone said it once. it got discussed a bit and people skimming see it and go "Wow Sets sure is rolefishing, look this person said so three times!"
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Post by Twopatch on Feb 16, 2013 8:16:56 GMT -8
so If riss was innocent, rogues would have voted for her and push through a lynch, no reasonable explanation for rogues wanting a no lynch. so the tie was allowed to save a rogue.
Did I do good?
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Post by Twopatch on Feb 16, 2013 8:20:37 GMT -8
Role fishing implies intent. It means trying to establish who has a role.
What you did was ask a question to prove a point, which may have turned up fish indirectly.
same endgame, different motives
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Post by Setsusa on Feb 16, 2013 8:22:39 GMT -8
Plausible.
Also, I got Pirate at 100 posts, w0o0o.
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Post by yasmi on Feb 16, 2013 8:30:09 GMT -8
Wow You re a pirate yarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. well Sets I don't agree with everything you write either but I follow your train of thoughts. What I meant of Cala is that prior to that big list, she has not posted anything that indicated she is rogue hunting. Now i was trying to find a funny definition of role fishing to come up with something smirky but I laughed at this one from urban dictionary (and yes I know has nothing to do with role fishing, it just made me laugh). www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Role%20Playing%20Disorder
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Post by Twopatch on Feb 16, 2013 8:38:00 GMT -8
I was gonna post a picture of a fish and call it a role fish, but bunny posted the fish Id want to use so I thought Id be sensible instead
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Post by cala on Feb 16, 2013 9:15:23 GMT -8
I have this mental image of a fish with Rick Astley's head dancing to "never gonna give you up"
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Post by Twopatch on Feb 16, 2013 9:33:15 GMT -8
There is an Astley Fish Bar mind you. not as exciting
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