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Post by Luvessy on Feb 25, 2013 5:05:52 GMT -8
But you think Crazy is a rogue, so why would you want to block a role divine?
I would think that protecting a town role and semi-investigative one at that would be a higher priority than staying alive yourself? You could have blocked a role block or ban and instead wanted to stop a power/role being used on someone you thought rogue?
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Post by DementedDuck on Feb 25, 2013 5:14:31 GMT -8
Like I said, I don't know what I was thinking when I picked Crazy. It was a bad decision.
And yes, I'd rather live myself than save another town role. Sorry, I'm selfish like that.
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Post by Luvessy on Feb 25, 2013 5:37:03 GMT -8
Phoenix, what puts me at the bottom of your list as most likely innocent?
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Post by Luvessy on Feb 25, 2013 5:38:04 GMT -8
Also Marinated?
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Post by Jolyma on Feb 25, 2013 5:38:59 GMT -8
Marinated, maybe I'm confused, but isn't role divining the same thing as PWS?
Ducky...again you contradict yourself.
YesterDay, when questioned about the sense of your timing in roleclaiming, that it was not necessary to stick your neck out, you said that removing any chance of FOI on Marinated was worth dying for.
Then you have a shot of protecting someone else, and you choose Crazy, who really isn't likely to be banned because if she's innocent, she's under enough fire, she hasn't role claimed...and say it's because you don't want to die.
So which is it? You're willing to die for the benefit of the Town, or you're not? If the latter is the case, then why were you not willing to fully claim, since you weren't going to use your role to the best it is capable of? You said it was weak, but being able to save someone else is pretty powerful.
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Post by Setsusa on Feb 25, 2013 6:03:38 GMT -8
Earlier you said your role was weak so if the rogues wasted a ban on you that would be good. You got mad at me for ruining your WIFOM chance with them.
Why the flip?
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Post by DementedDuck on Feb 25, 2013 6:05:40 GMT -8
Firstly, there's a difference between dying for an innocent who's likely to be banned on the off chance they find something that catches us a rogue in their limited time left, versus dying in exchange for a rogue. Secondly, I didn't actually expect to die as a result of roleclaiming. I expected to come under scrutiny for it, but I was confident the foi I got from lynching riss would keep me alive. I didn't expect to be banned because banning me right away points at marinated hardcore.
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Post by DementedDuck on Feb 25, 2013 6:08:47 GMT -8
Dude, Sets, are you really that stupid? Of course my role is stronger than I let on. I wasn't going to come out and say HEY GUISE MY ROLE IS GREAT LET'S HOPE I DON'T GET BANNED LOL.
I'm really annoyed with the amount of HEY ROGUES THIS GUY'S ROLE IS PROBABLY STRONGER THAN HE'S LETTING ON DON'T BAN HIM LOL going on.
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Post by Setsusa on Feb 25, 2013 6:29:46 GMT -8
Oh? It annoys you that I'm not stupid enough to not see that and point out to you that you are stupid enough to not see that other people are not stupid enough to not see that?
It's been stupid from the start. Don't pull a whine fest about it now because you chose to be all secretive.
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Post by Jolyma on Feb 25, 2013 7:54:50 GMT -8
Firstly, there's a difference between dying for an innocent who's likely to be banned on the off chance they find something that catches us a rogue in their limited time left, versus dying in exchange for a rogue. Secondly, I didn't actually expect to die as a result of roleclaiming. I expected to come under scrutiny for it, but I was confident the foi I got from lynching riss would keep me alive. I didn't expect to be banned because banning me right away points at marinated hardcore. But you don't know she's a rogue.You can't expect to give part of the story and not have people question it. It's not like Sets is the only one to see holes in your claim, you can't honestly expect that the rogues wouldn't see through it too. And therein lies your problem. Anyone who was around for Fantasy Fever, or read it even, knows just how powerful a lucky shot or two with a role like that can be. Anyone who has played ROMS a few times, especially role games, knows how much we try to balance things. To assume your enemy is stupid is folly. The problem I am having now is you were willing to stick your neck out on the off chance you were right about Marinated, but suddenly, you're not willing to stick your neck out on "the off chance they find something that catches us a rogue". (quote is Ducky's own words). So...it's ok to risk your neck on a maybe, but now, wait, it's not ok to risk your neck on a maybe. Don't you get it? It's the contradictions that bother me. Rogues have reason to lie, therefore, innocents never should. That you are contradicting yourself shows you aren't being honest. That makes me think you're a rogue. As for FOI from Riss's lynch, you haven't gotten very much from that. I still don't see much from you about her in the Day she was lynched. An early vote, then you reappearing about her when it's too late to change sides. Please, if I'm missing something about why you should get FOI from it, link me. I would like to RAFO. (Read and Find Out, thank you Mr. Jordan)
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Post by Setsusa on Feb 25, 2013 8:08:17 GMT -8
Sanderson abused RAFO so much with so many false promises
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Post by Jolyma on Feb 25, 2013 8:28:13 GMT -8
*pets Sets*
Yes he did. I think if he didn't though, there would have been 3 more books!
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Post by Marinated on Feb 25, 2013 8:32:21 GMT -8
Marinated, maybe I'm confused, but isn't role divining the same thing as PWS? No. A PWS only checks alignments, not roles. A role diviner only checks roles. I remember one game where town had both but usually only the rogues have it. I've got the feeling they have one this game. Secondly, I didn't actually expect to die as a result of roleclaiming. I expected to come under scrutiny for it, but I was confident the foi I got from lynching riss would keep me alive. I didn't expect to be banned because banning me right away points at marinated hardcore. DD: Your halo is slipping. How would that FoI protect you from a ban? DD's starting to sound like he's making up his excuses as he goes along. But he's got a point about Sets. It reminds of the way Sets was acting earlier that made me distrust his case against Riss.
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Post by Jolyma on Feb 25, 2013 8:38:50 GMT -8
Well, that makes sense then. I got hung up on the medium being a town role, and somewhere in my head, it made the connection that since they gave us a town role that doesn't exist, then they gave us one the rogues wouldn't get, too. I'm not sure that lowers the importance of why Bunny over others, but it does obfuscate it some. (Sorry, that's a fun word, I like saying it.)
Which point about Sets? The only thing I see is Ducky accusing him of pointing things out for the rogues, but if Sets is a rogue, wouldn't he do that in the rogue forums, and not here, where it would warn Ducky?
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Post by DementedDuck on Feb 25, 2013 9:08:05 GMT -8
Oh? It annoys you that I'm not stupid enough to not see that and point out to you that you are stupid enough to not see that other people are not stupid enough to not see that? My head hurts. I'm not too stupid to realise other people would see it. But pointing it out in the thread sort of forces me to flail and basically reveal my role is strong, or else tell you about my powers and essentially ask to be banned. In any case, it worked somewhat because firebolt got banned before me and her role was not as strong as mine, IMO. I'm not whining, I'm pretty much skipping around because most of what I planned has gone the way I wanted it to go. You can't expect to give part of the story and not have people question it. It's not like Sets is the only one to see holes in your claim, you can't honestly expect that the rogues wouldn't see through it too. I absolutely expected people to question it, I just hoped people would have enough sense to not erect a giant neon sign that reads STRONG ROLE OVER HERE, ROGUES, HAVE AT IT. I don't assume the rogues are stupid, I was hoping to play WIFOM with them. Firstly, you must have missed the part about me being selfish. You remember, I trust, the fake roleclaim I made as an innocent in my first game? I was selfish enough to tell the town "these people are rogues" because I was that sure of it, even though I was an RI. You don't have to like me being selfish, but you can't deny I am and that it isn't indicative of my alignment. Also, you left out the last part of that sentence, which was "in the limited time they have left". Kinda lowers the chances of that happening a little further. Roleholders get unlucky as often (probably more often) than they get lucky. If I have to choose to put faith in another player or in myself, I will usually put faith in myself. Especially when I feel as good about a game as I do about this one. Roleholders often have reason to lie. Also, this is me we're talking about. I lie as an RI so to say I'm a rogue because I lied again is dismissive of the evidence. Most importantly, you gave me FoI for it here. And you've very much changed your tune from this post:Who's contradicting themselves now? You're conveniently ignoring the previous day, the end of which I spent trying to lynch riss, despite having class at that time. Why, as a rogue, would I go out of my way to come into the thread and express the desire to lynch my teammate when I could easily have watched silently in case I was needed to save her, or even stayed away altogether? DD: Your halo is slipping. How would that FoI protect you from a ban? Made it big and bold for you.
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Post by Setsusa on Feb 25, 2013 9:43:51 GMT -8
I skimmed DD's post cause lunch How the <insert expletive here> hell is saying I have a role It's weak, I super swear! I've got four powers I'm not telling you 3 Indicative AT ALL of a weak role. To the alive rogue(s) if you are not Ducky and were fooled by the above, I am sorry, but wow. This really leads me to three suspects, Rosegold, Phoe and DD. The first two are absent enough to miss this.
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Post by DementedDuck on Feb 25, 2013 9:58:04 GMT -8
So I'm a rogue again now? It's cool how you can disregard the things that made you give me FoI earlier just because you're mad I'm being secretive. Which, by the way, is hilariously ironic coming from you.
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Post by yasmi on Feb 25, 2013 10:05:09 GMT -8
Like I said, I don't know what I was thinking when I picked Crazy. It was a bad decision. And yes, I'd rather live myself than save another town role. Sorry, I'm selfish like that. I dont agree with this statement of yours DD, I would expect you to act selfishly as a rogue not a town.
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Post by Setsusa on Feb 25, 2013 10:06:50 GMT -8
It's not that you're being secretive. It's that it doesn't make sense to let you live, or for you to claim, or for you to half claim, or for you to come out and say you were trying to make your role look weak but I ruined it a few Days ago which tells everyone it's a strong role and be left alive over Firebolt who's role was hit and miss entirely.
I can't rule out the possibility that you're full of crap because of how many holes there is in your entire claim and logic regarding it.
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Post by DementedDuck on Feb 25, 2013 10:08:01 GMT -8
Yasmi, in my first game I was a roleless innocent and I fakeclaimed medium because Luvessy claimed medium and I thought she was a rogue. I was right, and therefore my roleclaim was believed, and I then told the town Elliptic was a rogue (and was right) before I was lynched. So yeah, selfish is definitely something I do as an innocent.
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Post by DementedDuck on Feb 25, 2013 10:11:59 GMT -8
You're disregarding everything that made you think I was innocent before, though, Sets. Also, I can't understand why firebolt was banned over yasmi, whose role is definitely stronger than either of ours. If she can be innocent, why can't I be?
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Post by Setsusa on Feb 25, 2013 10:16:14 GMT -8
The rogues don't need to ban Yasmi because they (apparently) can just role block her every night. A late game watcher/tracker is strong, but if they can roleblock every night and not just an xshot she's essentially RI from now on.
Your role's threat is greater than Firebolt's. You make more sense to ban over her, so it's weird that you weren't. It is highly likely the rogues have a role divine which they logically would have used on you the Night they banned Bunny. So logically, going into last Night they had a decent grasp of your role and didn't ban you.
That doesn't add up.
As to "omgz y u disregard the past". The past should be used to support the present, not the other way around. Currently, it doesn't.
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Post by yasmi on Feb 25, 2013 10:19:33 GMT -8
I am sorry I have had a rather busy day, but I am here now having a break at work.
I am a bit confused with DD's half claim and trying to justify himself for the choices he made. To be honest I think he is only digging himself a bigger hole. I am with Sets on the WTF thougts...
The niggles on Luv I had before lessened now, since she had a big impact on 2patch being lynched.
I cant seem to make judgement of Rose, whether she is a scared new comer with a busy life or a rogue hiding behind the excuse.
I would like to think that Sets and Cala are innocent.
Need to re read Phoe, Joly and Marinated since i am feeling quiet neutral on them.
crazy is still on my suspicions list.
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Post by DementedDuck on Feb 25, 2013 10:21:50 GMT -8
Erm, that makes no sense whatsoever. By that logic, I could have thrown six rogues under a bus and still be suspicious if I tried to save a seventh, thinking they were innocent. You saw things that told you I was innocent. Seeing things that tell you I'm a rogue now is fine, but you're choosing to only consider those things.
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Post by Setsusa on Feb 25, 2013 10:25:05 GMT -8
You hardly threw Riss under a bus. Why are you clinging to it?
Also, for someone with a human shield power that can be used as a ban absorption, why are you so worried about dying. Your other two powers must be pretty strong, since you don't want to die, but a vote steal and a nexus are strong already.
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Post by DementedDuck on Feb 25, 2013 10:29:12 GMT -8
Uh, where did I say I threw riss under a bus? I didn't. I said I COULD HAVE thrown SIX ROGUES under a bus. It was an example to prove how derpy your logic was.
I'm not worried about being banned, I'm worried about being lynched for daft reasons.
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Post by Setsusa on Feb 25, 2013 10:30:50 GMT -8
So you're making things up to make me seem illogical? The implied reference is you threw Riss, you could have thrown others, and because it's the past I would ignore it. Which is wrong. Why misrepresent?
Did you not just say you lied about the strength of your role to avoid being banned because you think it's pretty strong, which now that you've outed and STILL not outed what else your role does for whatever reason you think is good enough, you're more worried about being lynched.
What, are you unbannable too?
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Post by DementedDuck on Feb 25, 2013 10:41:55 GMT -8
Really, you're that thick? Don't you understand what an example is? You're giving me some BS about how it's totally logical to ignore all the things that made you think I was innocent before because that's in the past. So I give you an example that proves how wrong that is and now I'm making things up? I didn't imply I threw riss and it's not my fault you read way too far into that. I was worried about being banned before, yes, well done, cookie for you. I'm not right now. I'm not going to tell you why right now, nor am I going to tell you about my other powers, and if that makes you pissy, well, too bad. Have a relevant song.
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Post by Setsusa on Feb 25, 2013 10:51:12 GMT -8
I like 5FDP.
Your claim is full of holes and this "I'm not worried about being banned right now, but I'm not telling you why PS screw you I'm not telling you what I'm capable of to help the town" doesn't sit well with me.
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Post by Marinated on Feb 25, 2013 10:54:12 GMT -8
Which point about Sets? The only thing I see is Ducky accusing him of pointing things out for the rogues, but if Sets is a rogue, wouldn't he do that in the rogue forums, and not here, where it would warn Ducky? I'm not saying it makes him a rogue (he's the only one I'm pretty sure is innocent and I hope that isn't a mistake like it was last time), but sometimes it's best to hold one's peace rather than blurt things out in the thread. @ DD: In case you've forgotten the rogues won that first game. Getting yourself lynched didn't help the town. You're conveniently ignoring the previous day, the end of which I spent trying to lynch riss, despite having class at that time. Why, as a rogue, would I go out of my way to come into the thread and express the desire to lynch my teammate when I could easily have watched silently in case I was needed to save her, or even stayed away altogether? You've been in deadline shenanigans with fellow rogues before so it wouldn't be the first time and you seem fond of your FoI. Your vote change was fairly late, despite the fact that you forecast it earlier and if you knew Riss was prepared to unvote I think there was little to be lost and a lot to be gained. ... the end of which I spent trying to lynch riss, despite having class at that time. Class was cancelled so I can be here til deadline, I'll switch to riss if no one unties the votes. You're not even keeping your story straight. Vote: DementedDuck
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