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Post by Setsusa on Feb 7, 2013 17:25:35 GMT -8
I asked my question first and clearly the methods you utilize to embarrass young children are more important than why I believe Jolyma would not make the post she did the way she did as a rogue.
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Post by Bunnylaroo on Feb 7, 2013 17:34:36 GMT -8
Oh LOL I thought the "Go on Bunny"was asking for clarification of what I was asking you about the FOI.
True embarrassment must be tailored to the individual and the situation, so it varies.
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Post by Vantastic on Feb 7, 2013 17:49:21 GMT -8
{quote author=personsname board=1 thread=1 post=1 time=1} words you want to quote go here{/quote} In order to quote someone without clicking the 'quote' button on their post, you can type in the format above, replacing the curly cue brackets {} with square brackets []. If you don't include each of the board thread post and time arguments, in that specific order the quote will be broken. However, you don't need to use 'real' values for these arguments. You can set them equal to any number; 1 is simplest. {quote author=personsname board=anytext thread=1 post=1 time=1} {b}Example{/b}{/quote} Here is something you can copy and paste, and change the very first curly cue, name, and text. {quote author=NAME board=1 thread=1 post=1 time=1] TEXT [/quote]
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Post by Bunnylaroo on Feb 7, 2013 18:04:18 GMT -8
Thanks van. That's an awful lot of typing...think it will just be easier to preface quotes with "quotes are from x", at least for me...
So sets, now it's officially your turn to answer my question.
Unless your Day 1 FOI is, as I initially supposed, a "Sets brand plan-to-test-a-reaction-that-will-end-up-backfiring-in-his-face" (patent pending)
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Post by Jolyma on Feb 7, 2013 18:53:28 GMT -8
Heh, I figured I misspelled innocents or innocence or used innocents (as in the plural of innocent) when I should have used innocence (as in the state of being innocent).
Yes my post was completely meta. We needed a jump start, meta seemed like a better choice than attacking someone for joking around. I figure if people start posting thoughts on the meta, we can then look for reasons to suspect someone.
Like, I still find it very Anti Town to drop everything for a witch hunt, when addressing it, and adding them to a high FOS to watch them doesn't make a scene, or create a smoke screen, or, loses an innocent in a low number game just to prove a point. Especially if there is no reason to suspect they're a rogue.
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Post by Setsusa on Feb 7, 2013 18:56:42 GMT -8
I already explained it.
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Post by Jolyma on Feb 7, 2013 19:00:37 GMT -8
Can you just quote multiple people in the same post?
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Post by Jolyma on Feb 7, 2013 19:03:26 GMT -8
I am officially confused.
So, I am going to answer Luvessy, since everyone ignored her question. You can indeed count Luv, and we do have 18 players. Unless, I too cannot count...
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Post by firebolt153 on Feb 7, 2013 19:14:24 GMT -8
Joly I think you can, if you follow the first thing Van posted. And yes, we have 18, with I believe only Seastar not posting.
My rationale for 2 or 3 was the 1:7 ratio I seem to recall hearing in the past of rogues to town. Obviously, we may not be playing precisely by this ratio given it's a roles game, but that's how I got there.
Day 1 joking around always makes me a little...not oversuspicious, I suppose, because it's a game of suspicion, but you never know if they're actually jesting or if it's for real.
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Post by Jolyma on Feb 7, 2013 19:25:12 GMT -8
Joly I think you can, if you follow the first thing Van posted. And yes, we have 18, with I believe only Seastar not posting. Well I meant I wondered if you could hit the quote button on one post, then also hit it on a topic summary or preview, but you don't get a quote option on the topic summary. So I'll go with no, you have to do it manually, so expect a lot of @ soandso or me just saying Oh hey, sos and so you said... because I will mess up the other way. And it will irritate me.
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Post by Phoenix on Feb 7, 2013 19:55:01 GMT -8
So.... nested quotes are going to be a nightmare, but hey lookit! If you quote the correct post you don't need to link to it since it does it already!
Yesterday was very definitely a "Phoenix needs to be a Mummy today" day. Doctors, teacher meetings, mass and more teacher meetings all day.
Personally I'm not about to go all meta because... well does it need to be said? I'm looking, I'm leaning rogue on more than half the players right now so I damn well know I'm wrong because there's no way that Furare and Wrecker would unbalance a game that badly.
Naturally gut says Day One that Taelac, Leif and Joly are filthy dirty ROGUES and now I just need to find their silent sneaky partner - but Day One gut for me ALWAYS says those three are rogues - even if they're not actually playing, so while that is what my gut is screaming, I'm inclined to take with a grain or twenty tons of salt. Especially in a role game.
PS: The being wrapped in toilet paper is next week apparently. Home Learning (Used to be called homework) is an "Arts and Craft" project, so something being wrapped in toilet paper is a good bet.
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Post by Bunnylaroo on Feb 7, 2013 22:08:14 GMT -8
I must have missed it, unless it's "I don't think Joly would make a post like that as a rogue". Which, is sort of the same thing as saying "I think Joly is innocent based on that post" without saying why. And around and around the maypole we go. So I guess the question I'm asking is: why? She made a very similar Day 1 meta post in the Cluedo game, where you were rogues together. She also made one in Finest of the Flavors, where she was innocent. P.S. looking up links from past games has now become more of a pain in the cottontail than before, just FYISo, this tells me that Joly makes Day 1 meta posts regardless of alignment. Say is there a "view printable version of this thread" option on this forum? And if so, can someone explain it to me?
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Post by Setsusa on Feb 7, 2013 22:14:02 GMT -8
It's not that it's meta. You're looking too broadly.
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Post by Twopatch on Feb 7, 2013 23:12:38 GMT -8
to say a piece of bread is not a car, does not say that it is bread.
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Post by SeastarX on Feb 7, 2013 23:39:06 GMT -8
The following quotes are from Twopatch...Have to figure out how to attribute quotes on this here forum... And here we have a blatant FOI for SeastarX. I'm quite sure I don't know what you mean Anyhow, I better go get to work. I miss being a student with all the lie-ins.
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Post by yasmi on Feb 8, 2013 0:35:17 GMT -8
Meh I m goona leave quoting, my tap screen is too small for those kind of adventures. On the other side, don't want to make assumptions on someone being a rogue or not for writing meta or no meta on the first day. Post people only that could help town to find rogues. Ta da for now, almost reached work
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Post by DementedDuck on Feb 8, 2013 1:41:54 GMT -8
Sets is doing his I'm-not-explaining-it-THAT-easily thing again and it makes me sad.
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Post by Furare on Feb 8, 2013 4:57:42 GMT -8
Say is there a "view printable version of this thread" option on this forum? And if so, can someone explain it to me? There's a "print" button at the bottom of the thread, near where the "reply" button is. It has a little printer next to it. If you click it it will take you to a printable view of what as far as I can see is the whole thread. As a side note, I'm sorry about the limitations of these forums.
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Post by Marinated on Feb 8, 2013 6:46:34 GMT -8
Yes my post was completely meta. We needed a jump start, meta seemed like a better choice than attacking someone for joking around. I figure if people start posting thoughts on the meta, we can then look for reasons to suspect someone. Only rogues need to go looking for reasons to suspect somebody. :) My rationale for 2 or 3 was the 1:7 ratio I seem to recall hearing in the past of rogues to town. Obviously, we may not be playing precisely by this ratio given it's a roles game, but that's how I got there. That ratio is good for larger games but as numbers go down we need proportionally more rogues. I'd guess at at least three and possibly four.
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Post by Leif on Feb 8, 2013 7:45:20 GMT -8
It's not that it's meta. You're looking too broadly. Just explain yourself then. Possibly try helping.
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Post by Bunnylaroo on Feb 8, 2013 8:44:27 GMT -8
So apparently Sets is role playing a magic 8 ball: If you're not going to answer, that's your choice, but please don't pull the "I'm not going to spoon feed it to you guys" again. You haven't explained why, and no amount of "you have to go deeper" is going to enable me to read your mind. @2patch: who was that bread thing directed to and what was it regarding?
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Post by Setsusa on Feb 8, 2013 8:53:53 GMT -8
2Patch is talking about me but his analogy is poor.
Joly's post is too helpful for what she would say as a rogue. Notice further, she has not questioned my FoI, yet when she had it as a rogue she questioned it vehemently.
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Post by Bunnylaroo on Feb 8, 2013 9:15:00 GMT -8
Joly's post is too helpful for what she would say as a rogue. In what way? Because it looks like more of the same things she said in her "helpful meta post" as a rogue, which was more of the same that she said in her "helpful meta post" as an innocent. So "helpful meta" is neutral. Her reaction to your FOI has no bearing on why you FOI'd her to begin with, which is what I was asking about. But I'm sort of done with this conversation, because I'm having flashbacks of the time in DC when you gave innocent me a "High FOS", refused to explain why, then jumped on the first explanation that Cnu posted in the thread (which was totally erroneous)...and you were town that game. Or the time in Finest of the Flavors where riku voted AL without saying why and then you voted AL because you "shared riku's reasoning" that he never explained. So you've pulled similar shenanigans before, just usually to express suspicion, not the lack thereof.
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Post by Bunnylaroo on Feb 8, 2013 9:20:14 GMT -8
Oh and Furare: No need to apologize! I think it's awesome that you set this place up for us! And it's way more reliable than the YPP forums...I'm just a technologically impaired bunny and it takes me forever to figure out how to work things.
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Post by Setsusa on Feb 8, 2013 9:39:27 GMT -8
If you remember I've done this before then why do you not know why?
I was a rogue with Jolyma that game, of course I remember that post, why she made it and why she didn't like it later.
Riku and I did share reasoning. In fact, the reasoning then and now are strikingly similar.
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Post by Setsusa on Feb 8, 2013 9:40:30 GMT -8
Which, while we're at it - Bunny is also innocent. She cares too much about an FoI too early to be a rogue.
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Post by Riss on Feb 8, 2013 9:58:56 GMT -8
Sets last comment - I have a reply to that. Just has to wait after work. I was hoping I had time before I went in, but roads are terribad already.
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Post by Vantastic on Feb 8, 2013 10:01:42 GMT -8
I don't like huge posts full of links and lists, so don't expect those from me. While for some, it really IS a lot of effort for the townies, it's also a great place for a rogue to look like they're trying, but they're just really repeating everything someone else says. I completely agree with this. If you remember I've done this before then why do you not know why? I was a rogue with Jolyma that game, of course I remember that post, why she made it and why she didn't like it later. Riku and I did share reasoning. In fact, the reasoning then and now are strikingly similar. Don't worry Setsusa, I understand exactly why you do what you do. And not because you've elaborated on your explanations, no, it's because I trust you.
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Post by yasmi on Feb 8, 2013 10:02:57 GMT -8
Which, while we're at it - Bunny is also innocent. She cares too much about an FoI too early to be a rogue. so you re at 2 FoI mid one day? gosh your brain is working faster than mine ......
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Post by Bunnylaroo on Feb 8, 2013 10:10:44 GMT -8
If you remember I've done this before then why do you not know why? I don't know why because this is a new game, a different situation, you didn't explain why, and mercifully I can't read your mind (although I imagine there's lots of bacon in there). I imagine that a rogue Joly would react differently to an FOI from a rogue teammate than she would to an FOI from a townie. All this would possibly allow you to conclude is that you and Joly are not rogues together, which you should know regardless of your alignment. I looked back, because this is not how I remember this situation playing out. Here's riku's reasoning: Riku, in the Finest of the Flavors game thread, regarding his vote on AL, wrote:It's physically impossible to share the reasoning of a vote which had no reasoning behind it, only a gut feeling that was specific to riku. And hilariously enough, riku ended up changing his vote to you! So you weren't exactly on the same wavelength. But if you're really drawing that comparison, then you're FOI-ing Joly based on gut? Because you could have just said that. Sets wrote:So is there anyone you're suspicious of, or are you playing ROMS: We're All Fine Here.
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