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Post by Crazy Mg on Mar 7, 2013 12:09:00 GMT -8
DD's last power worked banned or not, not so much a roleholder who needed protecting, and Luv is apparantly also a roleholder....
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Post by Crazy Mg on Mar 7, 2013 12:09:37 GMT -8
Vote: Cala
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Post by Phoenix on Mar 7, 2013 12:16:44 GMT -8
Crazy... why did you rule Sets out? It's just occurred to me that everyone seems to have ruled Sets out and I can't remember him claiming a role of any sort.
Luv? Why did you?
I ask because I'm NOT sold on Cala being rogue and with role claims that only leaves Sets.
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Post by Setsusa on Mar 7, 2013 12:57:41 GMT -8
Gee I dunno. I revealed to the town a CI in a 2R 3I or 1R 4I situation.
Sounds rogue friendly to me!
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Post by Setsusa on Mar 7, 2013 13:06:59 GMT -8
Anyway.
If Cala is a rogue and Luv is innocent, as the votes stand now she gets lynched.
If Luv and Cala are rogues as the votes stand Luv can unvote at the end of the Day, no one gets lynched and the town loses.
If Phoe votes Cala, the town will win barring Crazy randomly moving her vote. As I said before, Phoe and Crazy can agree to lynch Cala or to lynch Luv toDay. I don't care. I will vote with them.
Phoe, you can vote me if you want. I've done everything I can to prove I'm innocent already, if you're convinced I'm a rogue at this point there is probably nothing I can do to convince you otherwise. It's your call.
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Post by Phoenix on Mar 7, 2013 15:13:47 GMT -8
I still want to hear what Cala, Crazy and Luv have to say Sets.
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Post by Luvessy on Mar 7, 2013 16:11:48 GMT -8
I explained what I thought about Sets already today. I went through the possibilities for Sets being a rogue, and lying. I think Cala is a rogue, and am voting her for the third day. I have explained why I think Cala is a rogue.
I don't like Sets plan to lynch me "because it doesn't matter" because it does matter. I am not a rogue, and if there are two rogues left, lynching me loses the game. Especially since the only reason Sets is giving is to go along with the crowd, and not because he thinks me a rogue. If Crazy and Cala are rogues together, for example, it's a town loss. Now, I don't think Crazy is a rogue because of her claim. But, a possible flaw in the plan. Crazy, why did you never protect the same person two consecutive nights?
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Post by cala on Mar 7, 2013 23:36:45 GMT -8
If you lynch me toDay and then there are two rogues left, the town is looking at a loss.
Its a perfect setup if Sets is a rogue, he just announced that Phoe was innocent, nice way to gain some FOI from it. Plus it seems on reflection that people just go along with him, yet since Riss he's been well under the radar, but manipulates a lot of the game play.
I believe that Sets is a rogue, if he has a partner I am stumped to who it can be, infact I have no blooming idea. We have 2 people with a claimed role, a roleless, and unknown and a CI between us.
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Post by Crazy Mg on Mar 7, 2013 23:41:52 GMT -8
I've said before I don't think Sets is a rogue because he was an early voter of both Riss and Twopatch. If i'm wrong I'd probably like to bang my head against a wall repeatedly.
I forgot to say earlier that an earlier deadline is fine for me.
Goodnight from Miss Sleepy and Forgetful.
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Post by Setsusa on Mar 8, 2013 5:57:53 GMT -8
If you lynch me toDay and then there are two rogues left, the town is looking at a loss. Its a perfect setup if Sets is a rogue, he just announced that Phoe was innocent, nice way to gain some FOI from it. Plus it seems on reflection that people just go along with him, yet since Riss he's been well under the radar, but manipulates a lot of the game play. I believe that Sets is a rogue, if he has a partner I am stumped to who it can be, infact I have no blooming idea. We have 2 people with a claimed role, a roleless, and unknown and a CI between us. Aside from last minute switching from you to Marinated with DD, what since Riss have I manipulated?
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Post by Luvessy on Mar 8, 2013 6:06:43 GMT -8
I believe that Sets is a rogue, if he has a partner I am stumped to who it can be, infact I have no blooming idea. We have 2 people with a claimed role, a roleless, and unknown and a CI between us. Help me out. 2 claimed roles = Crazy, Luvessy Roleless = ? Unknown = ? CI = ?
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Post by cala on Mar 8, 2013 8:57:25 GMT -8
Roleless me, as said numerous times, Unknown = Sets, CI = Phoe if Sets' PM is a truthful one.
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Post by cala on Mar 8, 2013 8:59:19 GMT -8
Sets - your whole playstyle is, the im not reading anymore then coming back to post, the switching to Mari and saying it was actually what you wanted all along. A lot of the "lets do this" is sticking out at me. Sure you do what you want, but why does everyone else have to too?
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Post by Luvessy on Mar 8, 2013 9:23:28 GMT -8
Calling Phoe a CI while calling Sets a rogue is odd.
Also, if you think there are two rogues, but have only one unknown, where does that leave you?
If there are two rogues, I think it is either Cala-Sets or Sets-Phoe. If Sets is not a rogue,, then I suppose a Cala-Crazy combination is an option.
There could still be a Cala-Phoe option if the rogues have a status making ability. I'm not sure that makes sense with what appears to be a one-shot PWS power.
If there is only one rogue, it's Cala.
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Post by cala on Mar 8, 2013 9:27:45 GMT -8
Not at all Luv, as said earlier nice way for Sets to get an FOI, plus DD wouldn't know Sets' status.
I also mused over your sketchy role in my earlier post today, there is nothing there that confirms it to us. So could be you are fake-claiming, right now I am more inclined to believe Crazy over you.
Whichever way, if there are 2 rogues left the town isn't going to win this, and its starting to look like a Sets-Luv rogue team have played the rest of us all along.
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Post by cala on Mar 8, 2013 9:28:15 GMT -8
And it seems you are still waiting on my thoughts on ending the day early.
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Post by Setsusa on Mar 8, 2013 9:40:50 GMT -8
They don't have to, Cala. I'm not of the mind to reveal everything I think to the rogues, and I realize that keeps it from the town as well. The fact is, there are more townies than rogues and therefore more people that can use it in an anti-rogue way at the right time (in reference to what I think/want).
I wish I was a rogue, this would have been a really fun game to manipulate as one. Unfortunately, I'm stuck hunting Riss, randomly deciding Twopatch deserved a vote and laughing as he flipped rogue, and now stuck between lynching you or Luv. Luv voted you. Crazy voted you. I have to vote you. If you and Luv are both rogues and Phoe doesn't vote you, you will win. If Luv is a rogue, you are not, and Phoe does not vote you, Luv can still win. If Luv is a rogue, regardless of your alignment, if you get lynched toDay whoever is left alive toMorrow should be voting Luv.
It's not really a "this is what I want" it's a "Crazy showed us she has a role. I was just told Phoe is innocent from DD's role." I know my alignment. That leaves two unknowns. I don't really put that much stock in Luv's claim, so two unknowns, two Days. Seems like a pretty easy conclusion to me on what to do.
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Post by Luvessy on Mar 8, 2013 10:12:40 GMT -8
Phoe, did you get a game on pm?
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Post by Luvessy on Mar 8, 2013 10:35:36 GMT -8
It's a little maddening that you're not considering the full game and trying to force a either-or scenario, Sets.
I believe Cala is a rogue, but not because of process of elimination. Similarly, if Cala somehow turns up innocent, my vote will be for Sets tomorrow. I have to hope that any two rogue scenario includes Cala.
I think Sets is riding the Riss FoI train too hard. I suppose it doesn't matter if Cala is a rogue,. Would love to hear more from Phoe and Crazy.
I think I have good reason to believe Crazy is innocent, but how far do you want to playthe PM game?
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Post by Setsusa on Mar 8, 2013 11:19:47 GMT -8
Luv, I dislike the PM game too. To some extent I dislike roles in general. Roles are balanced versus rogue team powers, so I'm fine with them for the most part. PM's are not, it's just an advantage over the rogue team. The best way to demonstrate that PM sharing should not be allowed in the rules in future is to abuse it as much as possible.
A PM told me Phoe was innocent. Crazy showed role PM's. In the context of this game, they are innocent.
Yes, my mindset is probably frustrating to watch. That is the point. I want to exemplify as close to the worst case scenario as I can for the context of this situation. If people get PM confirmation of alignments then the game is boring and people stop playing the game, but play the PMs and photo editing softwares. That's not ROMS. It's in this game, I'm going to try to make it look horrible so there's never a case in the future of "Man I sure wish we could show each other our PMs".
I looked over Cala a few Days ago and couldn't see what you and Mari were saying. I've been paranoid over you and Mari for most of the game. I was pretty confident Phoe was innocent before DD's role went through, now I know she is. Somewhat similar to Crazy, but not enough so that I could stake "Yeah whatevs, we'll just say she's innocent".
I don't think you're a rogue because I think there are three rogues and what Cala has done the last two Days makes me think she is a rogue. Should we lynch her toDay and the game not end, I would think you the next most likely rogue, whether I knew Phoe was innocent from DD's role or not, and whether Crazy claimed or not.
That said, none of that changes the situations of to me, three alignments are known of five. In all excepting a rogue double kill scenarios, lynching one of those two unknowns and then the other leads to a town victory. Whether they're both rogues, whether one is rogue and we lynch the rogue or the innocent first it doesn't matter. The town would win.
I'm not really trying to ride the Riss FoI train, there's just nothing I can do to go "I'm innocent". I can say I'm roleless, I showed my inbox which let's be honest, I could have deleted rogue PMs out of so it really proves nothing, except that I did in fact get a PM telling me Phoe's alignment. I've even gone as far as to say "Yes, were Riss and I on the same rogue team, I would propose bussing her" though, as I said before, I feel Day2/3 is too early. Day 5 in this size game would be better in my opinion. I pointed out that although I voted Twopatch, it was early and more or less by random choice of a small list of people I had no real impression of. Leading up to the deadline I did look into it and I was leaning to the impression that he was innocent because I had convinced myself of two other people being rogues. Note: Twopatch was a rogue, the other two were innocents. (Mari and Phoe).
Regarding a full game vs either-or. My reply is somewhat along the lines of "guh?" I went fairly extensive as to why I believe it to be an either-or scenario. It's possible Crazy has somehow faked her inbox, but in the time frame it's unlikely. I too think her role use is a bit strange, but I'm not her so while I can sit here and go "Man, her role sounds kinda weird when mixed with DD's, and the way she's used it is kind of convenient if she's a rogue" it's more or less "I'm not you. I would have used it differently." which isn't indicative of alignment at all.
I think your claim of gravedigger in a game where we were told there was no medium role to be even odder, but I haven't really considered that into my placement of you are #2 Rogue because you were already there.
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Post by Furare on Mar 8, 2013 12:09:49 GMT -8
And it seems you are still waiting on my thoughts on ending the day early. Yes. Would you mind giving them?
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Post by cala on Mar 8, 2013 12:14:15 GMT -8
Sure, no issues with an earlier deadline of today
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Post by Furare on Mar 8, 2013 12:16:00 GMT -8
Thanks, cala. So the Day will end at 4:30pm Pacific Time today - that is, March 8th. (i.e. in just over 4 hours.) I'll see y'all then.
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Post by Phoenix on Mar 8, 2013 13:04:45 GMT -8
Phoe, did you get a game on pm? Nope. Only pm I have from the mods is one from wrecker asking me to go edit language that slipped through. Give me a bit and I'll ss the inbox. Need to remember my photobucket password.
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Post by Phoenix on Mar 8, 2013 13:20:06 GMT -8
As you can see I run the forums on PST and my clock down the bottom is my time. The other thing that made the wait was switching from the iPad to a laptop since screenshots on the iPad? Dunno how. Vote: CalaProxy to Crazy - If you guys decide that Sets is more likely, switch itI have to go be a baker on a float with a bunch of kids dressed up as apples so I won't be around for the actual deadline. No I'm NOT comfortable voting this way, I'd prefer to take out Sets if at all possible since I think he's gone by under the radar way too much. As for the being an early voter on Riss and Twopatch - did either of them look like they were going to be voted off?Riss may have gotten bussed because she had flipped enough suspicion of herself up that she was gone regardless so voting there would be a prudent thing to do, and Twopatch - did it look like he was going to be voted for at all in the previous round? And then by the time the momentum built up he hadn't done anything that could safely get a vote pulled without it being looked closely at.
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Post by Luvessy on Mar 8, 2013 16:00:51 GMT -8
Screenshot wasn't necessary, although I suppose I didn't think through the question potentially being unfair. Sorry to all for that.
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Post by Setsusa on Mar 8, 2013 16:02:41 GMT -8
Would you like some cake, Luv?
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Post by Crazy Mg on Mar 8, 2013 16:03:24 GMT -8
I feel like doing something crazy, but I'm Crazy, so I can do that!
Who is around?
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Post by Crazy Mg on Mar 8, 2013 16:04:27 GMT -8
oh luv and sets, I spent too much time contemplating stuff.
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Post by Luvessy on Mar 8, 2013 16:05:21 GMT -8
Cake?
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