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Post by Phoenix on Feb 25, 2013 18:23:27 GMT -8
I skimmed DD's post cause lunch How the <insert expletive here> hell is saying I have a role It's weak, I super swear! I've got four powers I'm not telling you 3 Indicative AT ALL of a weak role. To the alive rogue(s) if you are not Ducky and were fooled by the above, I am sorry, but wow. This really leads me to three suspects, Rosegold, Phoe and DD. The first two are absent enough to miss this. I didn't miss it. I just think that he's lying to us and the 4 powers aren't town benefit powers.
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Post by Phoenix on Feb 25, 2013 18:31:33 GMT -8
Am I the only one who remains skeptical about all of this? No not at all. And Sets... really?
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Post by Setsusa on Feb 25, 2013 18:32:57 GMT -8
Really what? Kind of hard to know what you're talking about without the quote
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Post by Phoenix on Feb 25, 2013 18:34:46 GMT -8
Voting for me "because the rogues implicated her".
You've got no other reason? Something I could maybe answer?
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Post by Setsusa on Feb 25, 2013 18:39:51 GMT -8
I'll convey it later. (pwomise). Don't have the time to look through things today. Forgot that we had a bajillion projects due in the next week
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Post by Jolyma on Feb 25, 2013 19:00:13 GMT -8
You better get to that homework then mister!
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Post by Luvessy on Feb 25, 2013 19:47:29 GMT -8
On reconsideration, I think I will vote for Crazy rather than Marinated.
Vote: Crazymg
Still hoping Yasmi will answer my question.
At the moment, I think the most likely rogues are two of Marinated, Crazy, Phoenix, and DD. However, there are a few items I want to review that may leave my opinion changed.
Sets, yesterday you seemed inclined to vote Marinated. Why Phoenix instead?
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Post by Setsusa on Feb 25, 2013 19:49:54 GMT -8
I trust DD to find her out. Which is a bad idea. My list on rogues is Mari Phoe Crazy.
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Post by Luvessy on Feb 25, 2013 20:37:54 GMT -8
One of the things that struck me about Twopatch is that he dismissed suspicion of Phoe because she was the fourth voter on Riss. I recall someone in another game (I think it might have been Riku) who had said that the fourth spot was actually one of the likely places for a rogue to join a bandwagon, particularly if it looked to have momentum. I don't know whether it's true, but it definitely has been something in the back of my mind for a few days now.
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Post by Luvessy on Feb 25, 2013 20:39:17 GMT -8
I have a bit of fear that Yasmi is making her role up and its claiming to be blocked so as to not have to defend any night choices. Another one of those back of the mind things.
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Post by Marinated on Feb 26, 2013 1:36:08 GMT -8
That fourth voter thing is one of the concerns I have about Cala. Fourth on Twopatch, fifth on Riss. I think Yasmi has the role due to her night two result (given in her original role claim). The night one and three results could have come from other sources (eg role divined, blocked or they're her partners), but that one had to be from a watcher. What we can't be sure about is whether it's a town role or a rogue power. Although I'm inclined to believe she is town. From most to least suspicious: Cala Phoenix Rosegold Crazy DementedDuck Jolyma Yasmi Luvessy Setsusa Willing to vote for any of the top four today.
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Post by Crazy Mg on Feb 26, 2013 1:46:47 GMT -8
From the rereading I've managed to do, my top choices for the remaining rogue(s) are Joly and Phoe, I'm too exhausted to elaborate more right now.
Vote: Phoe.
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Post by Phoenix on Feb 26, 2013 1:57:28 GMT -8
Ok that's now 2 "I'm going to vote you but not tell you why" votes.
Not. Amused.
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Post by DementedDuck on Feb 26, 2013 4:14:22 GMT -8
Phoe, I replied to the post in which you voted me with arguments for all your points. Are you going to reply to that or just pretend it never happened and hope no one notices you don't have much of a case for me?
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Post by Phoenix on Feb 26, 2013 4:28:46 GMT -8
Could you link it for me? I may have missed it with my internet being screwy
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Post by DementedDuck on Feb 26, 2013 4:39:39 GMT -8
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Post by rosegold on Feb 26, 2013 6:45:03 GMT -8
So like, worked all weekend then had to pull an all nighter. Test, nap, Roms. Brb.
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Post by Phoenix on Feb 26, 2013 7:01:09 GMT -8
I rolled a Human Shield power - any actions targeting the player I chose would instead be directed at me. I chose Crazy. I didn't get any PMs so nobody targeted her. Phoenix:That makes sense for the vote stealing power, but I'm not a vote stealer - I only get to do it once. It doesn't work very well for the rest of my powers. Like last Night, for example, what use would the Human Shield power be for a rogue to steal? Especially as firebolt stealing my power doesn't actually stop me using it. In fact, that fact means her role is completely useless as a counter to mine. And you know I'm telling the truth about that because marinated confirmed her vote was stolen before I roleclaimed. Also, the point of roleclaiming was to prevent FoI of marinated, not give it to her. She only gets FoI from it if I get lynched and flip rogue, and my intention is to not die so that makes no sense. Actually I can see a use for the Human Sheild as a rogue power. Since the rogue powers have to counter the town roles - Human Sheild, redirects anything done to a player to you? Yasmi watches someone, gets redirected to you, doesn't see the Suspected!Rogue she was trying to watch go ban someone. It's the WIFOM thing again. We don't know what the rogue powers are, we don't know what all the roles are - and no I'm not asking for anyone who hasn't claimed to do so. As to it giving FOI to Marinated, it's possible that it could give her FOI without you having to say anything. You didn't have to claim, and it wouldn't give her FOI if you were a rogue either. I have however been thinking that your powers were rogue ones for a while, just had no real reason to point it out because, well... Twopatch kinda shot himself in the foot. And now for some numbers which also explain why I'm leery. We have 10 people left. If we take the roles claimed and still in play we have 2 role holders. I believe - and have no proof other than knowing the mods - that we started with 4 rogues. We've lynched 2 leaving 2 rogues. That's 4. Consider we've had 3 roles claimed, I believe that there's at least one role out there unclaimed and hiding (Stay that way!) which would have given us a 4 rogue, 4 role, 10 Roleless Innocent layout. Which seems plausible to me. We've lost 5 people who I assume were RIs through bans and lynching Assuming that BOTH of the claimed roles are Innocent roles that means there are 8 Town and 2 Rogues left in play at the moment. However I do take into account that we are as a whole, a sneaky bunch. It's part of the ROMS history really that the easiest caught Rogues make silly mistakes. Like Twopatch. They're also usually the new to the rogue role people. Sneaky Rogues are a way of life in ROMS. I give you Lyaka getting into the Bunny group as a rogue, I give you WingsOfWisdom's incredibly realistic PM screenshot that was believed. Blame history for me not believing role claims until I'm in the Dead Thread. And to answer that 4th vote thing on Riss that people have decided makes me a rogue. Sorry but I voted that way due to not wanting to vote Sets because of the main reason I thought he was a rogue. I voted for Riss because I find that my mindset towards Setsusa is VERY like my mindset towards Quitex. I find them both irritating and distracting to me personally, because that was my main reason for wanting to vote for Sets and I was, out of ALL the games I played with Quitex right about him being a rogue only ONCE - I didn't vote for Sets. Wasn't even counting votes at that point. Unvote: DementedDuckI'll give you the benefit of the doubt for today, but when they banned Bunny over you, Yasmi AND Firebolt they set you up. Not going to revote until I get a REAL response from Crazy and Sets. Because the current "reasons" for voting for me are bullshit.
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Post by DementedDuck on Feb 26, 2013 7:28:18 GMT -8
That relies on the rogues knowing which town roles are targeting which players on any given Night. The Human Shield is a terrible rogue power if there's any kind of one-shot PWS power. It's a terrible rogue power against my Social Networker power.
The main point you seemed to be trying to make in that original post, apart from Bunny's banning, is that firebolt's role was the town counter to my role. I debunked that argument by pointing out that "stealing" my powers doesn't actually stop me using them at all. So now the main reason I could be a rogue is that you don't believe my powers are innocent and you've thought that all along? Then why bother with the "firebolt is the ying to his yang" thing?
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Post by Marinated on Feb 26, 2013 7:47:28 GMT -8
@ Phoenix:
How did Twopatch shoot himself in the foot?
Why are you assuming all the bannees were roleless?
I get the impression from that post that you're telling us what you want us to believe rather than what you actually think.
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Post by yasmi on Feb 26, 2013 8:00:31 GMT -8
Having lunchbreak at work and hopefully a quiet afternoon for some readings Chicken curry anyone? To respond to Luv: I aint making my role up. On day 4 voting was between me and Crazy, then Bunny decided to put me in the lead (this before I roleclaimed and some voters moved to Tae). I thought that I was gonna be banned or crazy if she had innocent status, hence i decided to check her out. Hope that this answered the question. Well she was not banned and I could not find anything about Crazy so hmmmmmpfff Now doing some Readings, Luv happened to be the first one: Luv forgot her password for this site? thats shocking, she also speculated about this game having 3/4 rogues. She talked a lot of Leif's ban and defended that he would not sacrifice himself. I foud Luv's vote on Firebolt on day 2 very interesting for "recycling reasons". She voted CrazyMg the following 2 days. Now #396 made me smirk and Luv has been making those smirky remarks all game, or is it the first time I am noticing them? Now roms.freeforums.net/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=activegame&thread=7&post=756got me intrigued. Luv is basically stating dont vote for someone you think is innocent, dont vote for the sake of lynching someone but then in the second part of the sentence Luv writes we cannot not vote. Ugh mess in my head. Luv didnt know how to feel on the Riss voting, she thought people been voting for her for no concrete reasons. She decided to vote Crazymg instead for not adding any particular content. States she cannot read Mari (I m with you on that one) and lists 2patch, Marinated, Crazy and Firebolt on her suspicious list. I now got to the bit where she voted for 2patch. This want me to believe that Luv is innocent. Please do not mind if I am not making too much sense, I was taking some notes while I was reading and thought the notes could be helpful to be shared. After having a glimpse at Luv I think her lead on 2patch makes me think she is innocent, she was giving me niggles before so I needed to read. At the moment NO NIGGLES! I thought I post this bit before I march onto Crazy and someone else, doubt I have time to review everyone today.
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Post by yasmi on Feb 26, 2013 8:37:07 GMT -8
Seems that I have a bit more time to read - onto Crazy now: She starts of stating that this will be a very INFORMATIVE game, I wonder what that means.... She made a "joke" about Van and Joly being both rogues. Crazy gives Sets a low FoS due to his early FoI. Blablabla and then votes Sets for rolefishing. This roms.freeforums.net/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=activegame&thread=7&post=918 makes me twitch A LOT.... Then she moves Sets to a watchlist to vote for me, even though she cant well justify why. When I claimed she asked if we could lynch Tae instead of me/her. After some blablablas she states she is not sold to the idea that 2patch is a rogue. And now she votes Phoe. Now to end up with your starting line: if this has been an informative game so far, it has not been from Crazy. I am gonna keep my eyes on her for now.
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Post by Phoenix on Feb 26, 2013 9:23:20 GMT -8
@ Phoenix: How did Twopatch shoot himself in the foot? Why are you assuming all the bannees were roleless? I get the impression from that post that you're telling us what you want us to believe rather than what you actually think. I'd just like to point out that by the time I was reading most of the Twopatch interactions he was already lynched. Things that he said, ways that he said it shot himself in the foot. I'd rather assume that the banees were all innocent than assume that the town lost a role without even finding out that it was out there - wouldn't you? I'm sorry that you get the impression that I want you to believe something instead of that it's what I think... it's both kinda. It's what I've been thinking about and I'd like you all to believe that - if that makes sense. I've been told sometimes my thought processes are obscured. So please do ask questions if I'm unclear and I'll endeavour to clear up what I was saying until you can understand where I'm coming from. Scuppering thunderstorms. Going to post this and answer DD in another post.
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Post by yasmi on Feb 26, 2013 9:24:27 GMT -8
Oh bugger was halfway through Phoe and my pc played up and closed my browser, will resume later on cuz now i need a roms break.
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Post by Phoenix on Feb 26, 2013 9:34:18 GMT -8
That relies on the rogues knowing which town roles are targeting which players on any given Night. The Human Shield is a terrible rogue power if there's any kind of one-shot PWS power. It's a terrible rogue power against my Social Networker power. The main point you seemed to be trying to make in that original post, apart from Bunny's banning, is that firebolt's role was the town counter to my role. I debunked that argument by pointing out that "stealing" my powers doesn't actually stop me using them at all. So now the main reason I could be a rogue is that you don't believe my powers are innocent and you've thought that all along? Then why bother with the "firebolt is the ying to his yang" thing? I firmly believe that there is a counter to all the town roles in the rogue powers. Can you agree that a counter to having a rogue be able to steal an innocent vote would be to have an innocent be able to steal a rogue vote? Yasmi has a watcher/tracker role that has apparently been blocked - twice. Can you see how your explanation of what the Human Sheild role does could counter that? It's looking very like a Paranoid Doctor type role with a rename to me is all. It doesn't rely on the rogues knowing what the tracker/watcher is doing, since unless the blocking of Yasmi is happening ON Yasmi guesses have the ability to line up like that. Let me clarify one thing. I don't trust your "powers" to be innocent because you continually call them "powers". Town has roles, Rogues have Powers. Says so in the first post of the game. Can you see why I don't trust what you're saying since you've called them powers from the get go? I'd give what I think are the "town counters" to your other claimed powers but if I'm right about it I don't want to dump a role holder in the crap. And if I'm wrong I don't want to give any rogues still hiding amongst us plausible fake claims! I think too much, haven't had enough sleep this week and my back aches because of the stupid ass weather. But I reiterate - anyone who has questions about anything I've said or done in the game PLEASE ask and I'll attempt to clarify if I can.
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Post by Jolyma on Feb 26, 2013 10:45:38 GMT -8
Oh Crazy...
Why me as a rogue?
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Post by DementedDuck on Feb 26, 2013 11:00:31 GMT -8
I've been calling them powers because that's what my role PM calls them. What would you call them? And I still disagree that they make sense as rogue powers and I think you're purposely ignoring the bits that don't make sense.
vote: phoenix
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Post by Crazy Mg on Feb 26, 2013 11:28:00 GMT -8
Seems that I have a bit more time to read - onto Crazy now: She starts of stating that this will be a very INFORMATIVE game, I wonder what that means.... people posting before me kept using the word informed, it was a joke Yas.
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Post by yasmi on Feb 26, 2013 11:34:54 GMT -8
lets try Phoe again: Phoe starts off with the assumption everyone is a rogue XD and hence watches everyone. Left a proxy to Cala, Luv or Joly which was not picked up by either. Sees either Riss or Sets as rogue ( u were right on this one) but not both together.
Voted Riss because a lot of things were not adding up for her. Later does not see a reason for voters to vote CrazyMg, ended up voting for me. Afterwards is suspicious of 2patch but voted for Rosie since her long post never came. Left a proxie. Started up toDay voting Rose but changed the vote to DD after analysing a bit. Unvoted DD after he explained all his powers. I am still trying to get my head around his powers, they seem pretty powerful to me and not convinced its town either. I scratch my head and have my doubts. Argues about DD using the word powers and not roles, since she believes that only rogues have powers. I have to admit I am with her on this one.
Resuming I dont see anything flagged up as rogue here, not inclined to vote here myself.
Just saw DD voted there, seems retaliatory to me and Crazy sorry if i didnt get the joke at the time I read.
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Post by Crazy Mg on Feb 26, 2013 12:13:28 GMT -8
Phoe and Joly are rogues because of the people i can't rule out being rouge, of the rereading i've done, they have given me the most pause, i am nowhere near finished though.
Phoe, i can't eliminate you from being a posible rouge, some of the bans point to you and what twopatch said regarding you, makes me want to look in your direction. So i voted you.
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