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Post by Jolyma on Feb 26, 2013 12:22:03 GMT -8
That's not very helpful. If there is something that gives you pause, ask.
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Post by Marinated on Feb 26, 2013 12:32:22 GMT -8
I'd just like to point out that by the time I was reading most of the Twopatch interactions he was already lynched. Things that he said, ways that he said it shot himself in the foot. How does this fit time-wise with the following quote? I have however been thinking that your powers were rogue ones for a while, just had no real reason to point it out because, well... Twopatch kinda shot himself in the foot. I'd rather assume that the banees were all innocent than assume that the town lost a role without even finding out that it was out there - wouldn't you? I guess you meant roleless innocents there. It would be nice if they were all roleless but there's no way we can assume that so it's pointless to do so. Or are you suggesting there's a possibility that not all the bannees were innocent? Vote: PhoenixReasons are partly a few small things adding up and partly process of elimination. Would still like to lynch Cala first but that doesn't look like it's going to happen. If Phoe flips rogue I think Rosegold will need a closer look due to what appears to be distancing by Phoe.
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Post by yasmi on Feb 26, 2013 12:32:49 GMT -8
I just got pickpocketed in the bus, I am sooooo pissed.off. My monthly travelcard is gonne
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Post by cala on Feb 26, 2013 12:35:01 GMT -8
Yet again Rose seems to have gone AWOL, are you reading this Rose and planning on jumping in with a last minute "will give an indepth post later" and then give us a vote and disappear without trace again?
Either you are a new rogue on the back pedal, or innocent and not really helping or contributing to the town. I'm inclined to believe the first.
Now I need to read back over toDay and try and get my head around it all.
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Post by Crazy Mg on Feb 26, 2013 12:39:15 GMT -8
Aww Yasmi I don't feel like getting out of bed to be more helpful just yet.
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Post by yasmi on Feb 26, 2013 12:57:30 GMT -8
I ve just looked at Rose' s post and have to agree with Cala, she is just not here. New rogue or unhelpful.townie. I m almost.home. Will get my head round this later or in the morning.
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Post by Crazy Mg on Feb 26, 2013 13:24:36 GMT -8
Why would a rogue rose come out of nowhere and vote tae to save yasmi? Surely staying quiet would've been the better option?
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Post by yasmi on Feb 26, 2013 13:31:15 GMT -8
I said rogue or UNHELPFUL townie. Ugh why do ticket officers come when i got pickpocketed? bad bad ending of a day
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Phoenix
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Post by Phoenix on Feb 26, 2013 14:20:14 GMT -8
I do hope you people voting for me aren't expecting some dramatic role claim from me, because I can't give one. I don't have a role or access to any powers of any kind.
DD: I would expect an innocent to realise the connotations that the word "powers" has within the game due to the first post from the mods saying that Rogues have powers and use any other word regardless of what the PM said. Abilities comes to mind. It'd make things less suspicious.
Crazy: I said most of the Twopatch explosions was after he was gone, not all. What I'd seen BEFORE I went to party was enough for me to have him as my second highest suspicion and if I'd been around I possibly would have voted for him. What I'd seen before I left was enough that I was willing to let what I thought I'd seen from DD slide so as not to create that tie that I left a proxy to break.
WHICH of the bans point to me? Because I'll flat out say it, the people that I would most likely ban are still here playing.
And what exactly did Twopatch say that made you want to look in my direction - given that, y'know he was a rogue and all so anything he says in thread is suspect. Especially since rogues are just as likely to want to use an innocent to attempt to give themselves FOI as draw any attention whatsoever to a fellow rogue. Again, use Twopatch for an example and his interactions with Riss.
DD: You didn't answer any of my questions, they weren't rhetorical they were honest questions. I can see how all of the "powers" you've claimed could be for the benefit of either the town or the rogues
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Post by Phoenix on Feb 26, 2013 14:23:24 GMT -8
And yes Crazy I did mean roleless in that quote. It was 4am and I'd just had my sleep such as it were interrupted by a thunderclap that shook the glass in my house. We can't assume that all of the people that were banned were roleless, but as I've stated, I would prefer to believe that they were roleless because I hate the idea of losing a role before the person holding it has the chance to use any information they may have gleaned from said role.
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Post by Crazy Mg on Feb 26, 2013 14:48:11 GMT -8
You mean Marinated for that last one but, I was curious about that too, Marinated just got around to asking first.
I think when Rose has been around and voting she has been helping the town, true she could be here more, but so could others, myself included. Those voting and suspicious of her are just going for an easy target in my eyes.
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Post by DementedDuck on Feb 26, 2013 16:09:14 GMT -8
DD: I would expect an innocent to realise the connotations that the word "powers" has within the game due to the first post from the mods saying that Rogues have powers and use any other word regardless of what the PM said. Abilities comes to mind. It'd make things less suspicious. Like I said, my PM said powers so I said powers. I didn't even think about it. I think "power" is a perfectly adequate description of what all roles give you and this is a very weak point. I didn't answer them because I was in the car, on my almost-dead phone. Firstly, how is a protection from any rogue actions any benefit to the rogues at all? Couldn't they just, like, not target each other? Going back to your questions: Yeah, sure. But a roleblock is a counter to any role. Isn't it a bit OP to put in a counter to every role, and a roleblock on top of that? It's a one-use lightning rod, not a paranoid doctor power. And no, I already explained why the Human Shield power is a bad rogue power. Your explanation of how it could work is irrelevent, because no rogue in their right mind is going to actively pull innocent night actions onto themselves in a role game that isn't an open setup.
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Post by Jolyma on Feb 26, 2013 19:15:03 GMT -8
Well, it's pretty easy to lie and say that protection from all town actions against a named rogue is instead protection from rogues actions.
And easy enough to claim a lightning rod use is for yourself only, and not something you can target others with.
Not saying if it's likely or not, just how those powers could be rogue powers, because you asked.
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Post by Jolyma on Feb 26, 2013 19:31:48 GMT -8
Crazy, I don't see how you can say that Rosegold has been helpful at all to the town. When she voted Tae 'to save Yasmi' it wasn't necessary, there was already a lynch situation, with Tae in the lead, albeit by 1 only. Pretty easy for someone to come in then and be seen protecting a town role.
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Post by Jolyma on Feb 26, 2013 19:35:45 GMT -8
And while she was the hammer vote on Twopatch, it was fairly obvious he was going to be lynched. (Yes, I know I was vote 10 and so extraneous. I voted the way I did on purpose, so a last minute scramble with an unvote or two didn't stop a lynch, I said as much at the time).
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Post by Jolyma on Feb 26, 2013 19:43:23 GMT -8
I don't have a good grasp on too many people. Luv and Sets, I am pretty certain they're innocent. So many quiet players this game. DD...DD I just don't believe anymore. Too many questions, too many contradictions. I'm willing to wait to see what happens toNight, but it better be good.
Rose just reminds me so much of Ivy when she was a rogue.
Vote: Rosegold
I am aware that this helps lynch Phoenix. I'm not sure of Phoe, but I'm getting more confident about Rose. This is to give you all an idea of what I am thinking, and to help lynch.
I'm tired, and I hurt, and we're waiting on a phone call about Jon's grandmother, who is 90, and in the care of hospice, so it's pretty much any day now. The asshat that called here at 3 AM from NYC can go to hell, I didn't get back to sleep from that. If you're going to drink and dial, people, GET THE RIGHT NUMBER!!!
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Post by Setsusa on Feb 26, 2013 20:49:05 GMT -8
On the realization that I don't have the time to find what actually made me suspicious of Phoe in the first place, I'm going to switch my vote to Rosegold for no real reason other her lack of participation. I don't know if she's a rogue or not and I don't have a real opinion regarding it, I just don't think she benefits the town.
Vote: Rosegold
I'll revisit Phoe toMorrow, hopefully. Sorry.
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Post by Crazy Mg on Feb 26, 2013 21:18:36 GMT -8
Phoe, Van's ban points to you and Bunny had mentioned wanting to review you and a previous post briefly covers what Twopatch said.
Joly, that's the same reasoning Rose voted for Tae, as you did for Two, to stop last minute votes messing things up, why for you is it such a good deed yet for her to do it means nothing?
None of her actions point to her being a rogue, I think we're wasting a day with "Rose is either a rogue or an unhelpful townie. VOTE!"
And since she's already been warned if she doesn't post more substantially and she's only had one? small RL post so far today we could lose her to inactivity anyway.
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Phoenix
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Post by Phoenix on Feb 26, 2013 21:51:20 GMT -8
Ok, so Vote totals.
Marinated: DementedDuck Rosegold: Phoenix, Jolyma, Setsusa DementedDuck: Phoenix, Marinated, Jolyma Phoenix: Setsusa, Crazy Mg, DementedDuck, Marinated Cala: Marinated Crazy Mg: Luvessy
I want to vote Rosegold. But at the moment me voting is just as likely to put my head on the block. Unless I've missed someone's vote or unvote this is how totals currently stand
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Post by cala on Feb 26, 2013 23:42:18 GMT -8
Ok my head is battered trying to understand DD and if he's telling the truth or not. I don't know him as many of you do when it comes to ROMS, and I truely don't know what to make of it all. My gut is telling me he's telling the truth, but my head is saying why tell the rogues everything about yourself, unless you have nothing to fear. As I play a lot on my gut when playing ROMS I am going to listen to that, for now.
As Rose is on my FOS list for reasons previously stated about her not being around and possibly a new rogue in hiding that is where I am going to vote.
vote: Rosegold
I may be around for the deadline, but have meetings all morning, so cannot guarantee I will get a few mins to hop on my phone.
Crazy and Mari are still up there on my list, and Phoe is still sitting on my watch list, all of whom I will re-review toMorrow.
Totally on a side note, my son seems to be a bit more comfortable and the bleeding has finally stopped, but the pain is bugging him and pain meds never seem to last quite long enough. We won't know until 13th March whether they have been able to be saved, or whether he's going to be a kid who loses them early.
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Post by rosegold on Feb 27, 2013 0:17:59 GMT -8
So um, doing some rereading and thinking, but this is bugging me so much that I need to point it out now. Why was Yasmi basically given a free FoI after her claim? She's come up empty three times and been blocked twice. Possible, sure, but also convenient. And nothing has disqualified it as a rogue role. I'm not saying she is, but her head was on the chopping block literally right before deadline, and now she's almost a confirmed innocent with absolutely no proof.
....did I miss something here?
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Post by Marinated on Feb 27, 2013 2:16:38 GMT -8
Yasmi isn't confirmed by any means but we're giving her the benefit of the doubt for the moment as it doesn't make sense to lynch a possible role holder. I believe her night two result indicates that the watcher part at least is true, although of course this doesn't say anything about alignment.
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Post by yasmi on Feb 27, 2013 2:45:08 GMT -8
Good morning, I am not going to waste my time around Rose. Rogue or not being around townie does not matter to me. Now I have just read this roms.freeforums.net/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=activegame&thread=7&post=1566After I claimed you came out of no where and voted Tae wanting to make sure I didnt get lynched that day. To answer your question, what you missed was you going with the flow.... of the others. Now Crazy keeps bringing up that Van's ban points at Phoenix and I REALLY like an explanation about that because I read Phoe yesterday and nothing appeared to me that any ban pointed to Phoenix. On the other hand, I do think Crazy is a dirty roag and I would like to get her lynched. Yes i aint wasting my time with Rose, but I aint opposed to her lynch either. If I survive tonight, tomorrow I ll be looking at reviewing Marinated and Joly and maybe some more if I get the time. I am home, so I ll peak if needed to change voting but for now I am voting for who I think is rogue (most highest suspect). Oh I dont know what to make of DD at the moment, so I am gonna look at him tomorrow. His half clain followed by a super powers claim with lies in between does not sit well on me. I am watching him very closely. Vote: CrazyMg
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Post by Luvessy on Feb 27, 2013 3:35:08 GMT -8
I'm a bit unsettled by the votes on Rose. Not because I believe her innocent, but just because I don't see anything there to form an opinion about. So we seem to be lynching her just because we don't know.
I think there's good reason to vote for Crazy. Her voting record as well as her defense against votes have both been rather misplaced.
Phoenix has said just enough today to make me doubt my suspicions there are correct.
I think either DD or Yasmi may be lying about their claim - possibly only the part where they say they are innocent. I am really bothered by DD not picking Yasmi last night. Yes, there was a chance he could have been banned, but that's true without using the claimed power there. There was also a chance he could have blocked the role block on Yasmi, or discovered there was no action taken there at all.
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Post by rosegold on Feb 27, 2013 3:38:45 GMT -8
Good to see that I'm not worth anyone's time here.
I really couldn't care less what you guys say about me. I have a busy life. School comes first, sorry I'm not sorry. I do what I can with the time I've got. Yeah, I know I'm not being the best player, but I'm also playing only as a favor to a friend, and you wouldn't even be playing right now if I weren't. So it's really not fair to make it into a personal attack.
It's six in the morning. I've been rereading for the past 4-5 hours. I want to and should be sleeping. But no, I'm making free time so that I can try to contribute. I can't devote 2+ hours to this every single day like yall clearly can.
Yeah, I'm cranky. It's six am and I've barely slept the past few days.
I'll possibly be lynched today, and if not that, then almost certainly removed for inactivity. For those of you who would consider my opinions at all... I figured I owed it to you to at least summarize my notes before I'm gone. Here they are in a nutshell:
DementedDuck - Gut tells me DD's innocent. Yeah, there's holes. Stop nitpicking word choice look at the big picture. Jolyma - Erm, my mind just assumes she's innocent, generally. Haven't seen anything to make me want to think otherwise.. Hrm. Yasmi - Don't dismiss Yasmi as innocent until proven guilty. There's no big giant red flag waving here, but something's off about the way that scenario progressed. Phoenix - /agrees with everything that was said. There were a lot of good points already brought up. I agree and have nothing new to add, really. Setsusa - About as close to a CI as one can get. Either that or he's an evil evil person. Marinated - Honestly not sure. She confuses me. Luvessy - Second in suspicion after Phoe. I'd vote here. cala - Thinking innocent here after everything with Twopatch Crazy mg - Leaning innocent, although still quite iffy. A couple things have bugged me, mostly from several Days ago, though.
I'd also take a long hard look at the people who are pushing my lynch. With only one or two rogues left, they're a bit outnumbered and want an easy argument, and an easy lynch. Who better than me.
I'm really sorry Riss, and Furare and Wrecker, but I'm not going to waste time I don't have to be someone's waste of time.
Vote: Abstain
..if it even counts. /shrug.
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Post by yasmi on Feb 27, 2013 3:48:14 GMT -8
Rose never ment to attack u personally but the lack of ur writting. When I started playing and it was not that long ago, I struggled to keep up and spent a lot of time reading and not making sense (i still dont make sense at all). Point is u get the grip, I read when I am on the train journey or waiting for it, I write when I have lil breaks or if I am off, but i dont spend 2 hours 7 days a week on this. Also You should play because you are having fun or trying something new and not because you re doing someone a favour. You state school come first and I do agree, with me is family and work comes first. It is all about the harmony of the balance. I believe most of us are a busy bunch but yet we all commit . Hope we didnt scare u off though
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Post by Luvessy on Feb 27, 2013 3:55:36 GMT -8
Phoe, you need to stop saying that none of the bans point to you because that's just not true. Van voted for you in an early round, when you weren't supposed to be around. That's a real easy ban to make. Easy to dismiss, easy to get rid of suspicion. He also was suspicious of Riss and people against FoI. So maybe it was incidental, maybe it was intentional. But it's not a crazy thought.
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Post by Luvessy on Feb 27, 2013 3:59:05 GMT -8
Also, Phoe,, if you think all the banned players were roleless, what about Firebolt?
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Post by Luvessy on Feb 27, 2013 4:00:32 GMT -8
Rose, if you're suspicious of Phoenix, then why not vote there? The vote is tied at the moment,.
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Post by Phoenix on Feb 27, 2013 4:03:48 GMT -8
Ah Luv I think you've misinterpreted me there. 5 RIs through bans and lynching + Firebolt = 6 people gone. Wasn't counting Firebolt in the "presumed RI bans". 4 banned assumed RI and Taelac who didn't have a role revealed on lynch would be the 5th RI in that equation.
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