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Post by Luvessy on Feb 28, 2013 12:52:16 GMT -8
I've been traveling, working late, getting up early, and generally distracted, so please do share if you feel I've mis-interpreted something. Why you think that would be great, too.
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Post by Luvessy on Feb 28, 2013 14:07:17 GMT -8
So, DD, you hardly mentioned Marinated yesterday. Why is she top of your list today?
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Post by Jolyma on Feb 28, 2013 14:30:34 GMT -8
I did want to see what reaction I would get for voting Rose Luv. I have a hard time distinguishing between quiet and busy and quiet anbd busy and rogue. People were voting for Phoenix, and it seemed legit, but then I wasn't sure. My thought was that if Phoenix was a rogue, then I might see one or two people follow me, but it wouldn't change the lynch much. Then Sets switched (I'm still not sure why), and then a flood of votes joining it, and suddenly, Phoenix went from practically lynched to saved.
I tend to think people are saved for a reason, but I'm thinking we don't have more than 2 rogues left, so I am not sure what makes sense there.
I am still having issue with Duck's claim. It's feeling kind of convenient that his role has told us nothing. It's also fairly easy to see how they could be rogue powers.
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Post by Luvessy on Feb 28, 2013 14:31:31 GMT -8
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Post by Luvessy on Feb 28, 2013 14:41:04 GMT -8
Joly, you last posted 9 hours before the deadline. At the time of your vote, it was: Marinated: (0) Rosegold: Jolyma (1) DementedDuck: (0) Phoenix: Setsusa, Crazy Mg, DementedDuck, Marinated (4) Cala: (0) Crazy Mg: Luvessy (1) I don't have a good grasp on too many people. Luv and Sets, I am pretty certain they're innocent. So many quiet players this game. DD...DD I just don't believe anymore. Too many questions, too many contradictions. I'm willing to wait to see what happens toNight, but it better be good. Rose just reminds me so much of Ivy when she was a rogue. Vote: RosegoldI am aware that this helps lynch Phoenix. I'm not sure of Phoe, but I'm getting more confident about Rose. This is to give you all an idea of what I am thinking, and to help lynch. Prior to that, your vote was on DD, but everyone seems to have moved off DD (Phoenix was floating between DD and Rose) So you sounded like you weren't sure about Phoenix, but were okay with a lynch there, but you were feeling pretty roguish about Rose. There were six voters, and six non-voters. Today, you're surprised Rose was lynched. It just doesn't quite add up. Accepting what you're saying at face value, what does it tell you about today?
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Post by Luvessy on Feb 28, 2013 15:20:30 GMT -8
I said:
Is no one paying attention?! This is plain wrong! There were only 10 people! 6 voters! 4 non-voters! Exclamation points!
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Post by Luvessy on Feb 28, 2013 15:25:25 GMT -8
By the way, if there's two rogues left, then we're at 6 innocents : 2 rogues. So, pressure's on.
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Post by Luvessy on Feb 28, 2013 15:45:43 GMT -8
Fun Fact: Ignoring Day 1, Cala and Setsusa have both voted wherever the majority has. The exception to this was Day 2, where Sets voted Riss and Cala voted Firebolt. Cala has consistently been in the second half of voters.
Vote: Cala
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Post by Setsusa on Feb 28, 2013 16:09:34 GMT -8
Is that an attempt to group me with Cala?
I held off on Marinated because DD was going to do his thing. Except, DD didn't do his thing. Which is interesting because if he rolled Witness Protection it makes more sense to protect Yasmi. From a rogue standpoint, you have to roleblock innoocent DD while banning Yasmi. A ban doesn't stop his role.
DD's been missing the obvious in how the rogues defeat his role. I find that odd as balls since when I've had a role I think of every possible way to make it useless, within my realm of imagination. What bothers me most is that DD knows the rogues have a role block and couldn't figure out the smartest rogue play, or was selfish, which since he's now never going to be able to use his role, that's interesting.
I don't know what I think right now and I direly lack time to investigate.
I'm pretty confident Luv is innocent, and DD I have a hard time with because I wouldn't expect him to be so....strange with his role use. I dunno.
Voting Cala seems like an average idea to me, but since yesterDay I went and switched my vote target to someone I thought wasn't benefiting the town I'm not inclined to do that two Days in a row.
I flipped a coin, so for now Vote: Marinated. Note: if it came down the other side I would have voted for Phoe.
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Post by Luvessy on Feb 28, 2013 16:18:50 GMT -8
It's a fact, not an attempt at anything. However, sets is traditionally an earlier voter, so while he seems to generally pick the same horse as the rest of the town, it's not after it's clear which one is moving the fastest.
I'm willing to switch to Marinated. Need to think on whether Marinated and Cala could be rogues together.
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Post by Crazy Mg on Feb 28, 2013 16:24:20 GMT -8
I'm exhausted right now, I'm slightly annoyed at DD for being selfish, I'm annoyed that Rose was lynched when I was 90% sure she was innocent and I hurt my back carrying too much stuff for uni on monday and I keep making it worse. I'll be back when energy returns, I'd vote for phoe but too lazy to do the bolding on my phone (it's new so no WTF! posts from my phone anymore ).
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Post by Luvessy on Feb 28, 2013 16:28:39 GMT -8
Good luck with that, Crazy. My phone is new and even more creative with my words than my last one.
Other reasons to vote for Cala: helps explain Seastar's ban; her reverse reasoning for her Twopatch vote looks a lock like rogue distancing; never mentioned Riss prior to her vote there.
Reasoning: "My immediate thoughts on Riss are HWFO. A lot of retaliatory posts with a sense of panic in them, makes me think of someone trying to save their ass, it’s certainly got my roguedar buzzing and has her high up there on my FOS list."
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Post by Luvessy on Feb 28, 2013 16:31:26 GMT -8
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Post by Luvessy on Feb 28, 2013 16:59:29 GMT -8
I should say, "I'm willing to consider voting for Marinated." Not sure I want to move off Cala.
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Post by Marinated on Feb 28, 2013 17:07:10 GMT -8
Marinated, why did you switch from Phoenix to Rosegold? (I think I know, I just would like clarification). To get a lynch. I'd said earlier that Rosegold was one of those I was willing to vote yesterday. What are your feelings on Joly today? Ambivalent. A question is why would the rogues (presumably) block Yasmi twice to take out Bunny and then FB, rather than blocking FB to take out Yasmi. In the case of FB it's probably because their block doesn't work on day actions. I thought that if Phoenix was a rogue I might see something from one person, maybe two, if I voted Rose at that time. I didn't expect a sudden and last minute lynch of her. Are you saying you didn't want to see Rosegold lynched? I did want to see what reaction I would get for voting Rose Luv. I have a hard time distinguishing between quiet and busy and quiet anbd busy and rogue. People were voting for Phoenix, and it seemed legit, but then I wasn't sure. My thought was that if Phoenix was a rogue, then I might see one or two people follow me, but it wouldn't change the lynch much. Then Sets switched (I'm still not sure why), and then a flood of votes joining it, and suddenly, Phoenix went from practically lynched to saved. You mention Sets but not Cala. What did you think of her vote? It was effectively the one that saved Phoe as the other three votes were just put in at the last minute to prevent a tie. I'm wondering why the rogues felt it was safe to ban Yasmi and why they didn't just block her and ban somebody else. It possibly points at DD. I must admit I was hoping to get more out of last night. My top suspicion is still Cala but I need to rethink some of the others. I would have thought that if Phoe was a rogue she wouldn't have left it quite so late to replace her vote on Rosegold yesterday. Vote: Cala@ Luvessy: You're not the only one to be wondering abouts Sets. He said that he liked to play each game a bit differently and since I saw that I've had this weird feeling that he might have been super bussing Riss earlier but I reread his posts a couple of days ago and I think probably not. (It's the sort of thing that happens on MS but I don't quite see it here.)
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Post by Luvessy on Feb 28, 2013 17:23:01 GMT -8
It's unsettling how often I agree with Marinated when I'm not trying to lynch her.
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Post by Luvessy on Feb 28, 2013 17:25:56 GMT -8
Worth noting on the trend with Cala's votes - at the time she voted for Firebolt, FB was the vote leader with three votes. There was only one vote on Riss at that point (Sets).
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Post by Jolyma on Feb 28, 2013 19:46:27 GMT -8
Joly, you last posted 9 hours before the deadline. At the time of your vote, it was: Marinated: (0) Rosegold: Jolyma (1) DementedDuck: (0) Phoenix: Setsusa, Crazy Mg, DementedDuck, Marinated (4) Cala: (0) Crazy Mg: Luvessy (1) I don't have a good grasp on too many people. Luv and Sets, I am pretty certain they're innocent. So many quiet players this game. DD...DD I just don't believe anymore. Too many questions, too many contradictions. I'm willing to wait to see what happens toNight, but it better be good. Rose just reminds me so much of Ivy when she was a rogue. Vote: RosegoldI am aware that this helps lynch Phoenix. I'm not sure of Phoe, but I'm getting more confident about Rose. This is to give you all an idea of what I am thinking, and to help lynch. Prior to that, your vote was on DD, but everyone seems to have moved off DD (Phoenix was floating between DD and Rose) So you sounded like you weren't sure about Phoenix, but were okay with a lynch there, but you were feeling pretty roguish about Rose. There were six voters, and six non-voters. Today, you're surprised Rose was lynched. It just doesn't quite add up. Accepting what you're saying at face value, what does it tell you about today? Yes ma'am. I knew I wouldn't be around at deadline when I voted, pretty much I knew that was the last I'd be online even. So I needed to vote. I wasn't sure about Phoenix, so I didn't mind if she was lynched. I certainly didn't have FOI on her. And I was feeling a little roguish about Rose. She reminded me of how Ivy skated by as a new, unsure, busy rogue. So I wanted to put some pressure there, and I figured, hey. If Phoe IS a rogue, maybe we'll see something, and if Rose is, maybe I'll get a reaction. I'm not sure what I think about it toDay. I think it's weird that it happened. I have already said it ups my suspicion on Cala, because it was the vote that tied it. My head says that it makes Cala and Phoe the remaining rogues, but then, I'm still bothered by Ducky. Marinated: No I figured we would learn something from it should a Rose lynch ever happen, I just didn't expect her to go from 1 vote to 6 votes in 9 hours. Since it did...and there's not that many rogues, I'm confused now. See above, I'm thinking Phoenix and Cala. No ma'am, I did mention Cala, just not in the post you quoted. I said that it ups my suspicion on her, because I think she was the tipping point (not exact words, but the gist of it anyways). I can't get over how single minded DD has been about Marinated being a rogue, yet, he was willing to go along with a Phoenix lynch instead. His powers have been relatively unprovable as town powers, the only provable one being the vote steal, and with his announcement out there of what his powers do...the Yasmi ban frankly doesn't make as much sense. I just think that someone else would have been banned, just in case Duck protected her, if he really was innocent. Does this make any sense? My thoughts are pretty jumbled, and I'm trying to articulate what I mean, and it just sounds like paranoid rambling now...
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Post by Setsusa on Feb 28, 2013 20:08:23 GMT -8
That's the whole problem Joly. Duck should have protected Yasmi. If she's dead, he's the only known role holder ad therefore the rogues can rolebllock him every night. I can't think of a single reason why the rogues would ban him last night when they know he can roll a protection, and if he rolls his other power the ban isn't going to stop it from working. If I'm a rogue and Duck is innocent I let him sit and rot. The town will be suspicious and I don't have to worry about him doing anything because I can roleblock him all day everyday, as long as Yasmi is dead.
This is frustrating. I feel like I've wasted time worrying about Duck's ridiculous claim because every step of the way he's had more contradictions come up and just not made sense with it at all. This is just icing on the cake. It really makes me ponder the question of "How do you miss this?" and the only answer I come up with is "You don't have that role". I assume Duck isn't stupid. I assume he was not going to actually find Marinated's status last night (which I know is contradictory to what I said yesterDay) because that's too obvious when said in thread. So it doesn't make sense for him to not see this, especially after Joly pointed it out to him that he is useless if he is roleblocked and he acknowledged it.
I'd like to lynch him just to get him out of the way. If he's a rogue, awesome. If he's innocent, he's going to be kept around as a distraction.
Regarding the "Sets could be an evil rogue". Yeah, I could. It's a viable plan if there are four rogues. I'm of the belief there are three and therefore were rogue me to go for that route I'd want it a few Days later. If I'm a rogue now and I'm the only rogue alive, I'm up against seven innocents and that's slim odds. However, 2vs6 is much more appealing. Don't write me off as innocent just because I pushed for Riss and voted Twopatch. Those things happened in the past, the now is that I've gone strangely quiet and to anyone who isn't me, that's going to look strange.
I have some time here finally so I'm going to look at Marinated, Crazy, Phoe and if time permits, Cala. I think Luvessy is innocent. I don't know what I think of Jolyma at this point. I think Duck is a distraction. However, it's time I pull out my patented move. If you have a role and you know anything significant, your information would be extremely useful this round or next round. If we can start piecing together who's innocent, at this point it tells us who is rogue. And frankly, the "rolefishing" complaints earlier made me laugh. Roles don't win games everytime and it's annoying when people act like you should never talk about them because they can win games.
If people have questions for me, I may or may not have missed them because I think I've read everything the past few days but I might've missed a page of posts, so ask them now if at all possible.
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Post by Luvessy on Feb 28, 2013 20:17:53 GMT -8
Why wait to read Cala? I think she's a rogue. =-)
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Post by Luvessy on Feb 28, 2013 20:18:13 GMT -8
Also, I'm anti-lynching distractions.
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Post by Setsusa on Feb 28, 2013 20:21:22 GMT -8
Would you prefer I look into her after Marinated?
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Post by Luvessy on Feb 28, 2013 20:23:45 GMT -8
Besides, it's not like there's a lot to read around Cala. I know Marinated voted there and you want to lynch Marinated, but that's not a reason to not look at Cala. May strengthen or change your opinion there.
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Post by Luvessy on Feb 28, 2013 20:24:17 GMT -8
Sure, look at Marinated and Cala together. =-)
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Post by Luvessy on Feb 28, 2013 20:27:13 GMT -8
Also, Sets, you're reminding me a little of Shuranthae, and that's kinda cool. Too bad we're not on the YPP forums - but he probably stopped looking for his name years ago anyway.
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Post by Setsusa on Feb 28, 2013 20:27:19 GMT -8
Omgs rogue stop pushing me along your agenda.
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Post by Setsusa on Feb 28, 2013 20:33:23 GMT -8
How so? I have very few memories of what he was like at all, I didn't know him more than I'd heard about him.
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Post by Luvessy on Feb 28, 2013 20:40:36 GMT -8
Hard to explain. We were royals together long ago. More of just a general impression thing. But I'm pretty sure Shur isn't an errant revolutionary here, so perhaps not the right place to look.
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Post by Setsusa on Feb 28, 2013 20:41:54 GMT -8
Hah.
Do you think there are two rogues still?
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Post by Luvessy on Feb 28, 2013 20:44:13 GMT -8
Yes, I think it's most likely. and the best assumption to make.
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