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Post by Setsusa on Feb 28, 2013 20:44:55 GMT -8
And you think the most likely combination is Mari-Cala?
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Post by Luvessy on Feb 28, 2013 20:48:36 GMT -8
That I'm not sure of.
There are a few combinations that work in my head. It's one of the reasons I really want to know Crazy's status. I think she's done several things that could indicate rogue, and I can think of multiple pairings that makes sense with her.
I don't think Mari and Cala are rogues together, although that'd be a little funny.
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Post by Setsusa on Feb 28, 2013 20:51:28 GMT -8
Yeah the more I read the more I think Marinated and Cala wouldn't be rogues together. Mari's making too many good points about her. Funnily enough, my suspicion of Marinated is waning the more of her posts I read. Early on she strikes me as roguey with hindsight knowledge. Towards the middle it's a bit neutral and fuzzy. I think some of the points she makes, like thinking DD's myriad of contradictions somehow makes him less suspicious is extremely weird.
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Post by Setsusa on Feb 28, 2013 20:58:37 GMT -8
For now, I work under the assumption that DD and Jolyma are innocent. Assuming everyone is a rogue while trying to determine whether a specific person is a rogue is foolhardy.
Marinated notes:
Lots of Riss protection. Tells DD that the slip up where it looked like Riss copied something out of a rogue forum and reused it was an attempt to just throw suspicion at someone for a poor reason.
Early suspicion is all placed towards known innocents, Joly and DD.
This came up. Which makes it even more odd that DD had such a huge issue with people discussing his role and wanting to know about it, as well as expressing thoughts about how it was sounding like a load of crapola. Also that is an ugly quote but whatever.
As of Feb 16 has expressed suspicion of everyone except for me, Van, SSX (not sure if she was alive then because I forget the dates), Bunny, Riss, Twopatch, Crazymg or Cala (ok, slight statement there of "wondering about her this game". Has not addressed Twopatch. Of alive players, only addressed me about invisibility, lengthy discussion with DD, Joly and Luv. Some with Phoe, nothing with Cala or Crazymg.
The statement that I was railroading Riss still reads as off to me, that could be the connotation that I've given the word and how it differs from what I did. Weak vote on Yasmi, takes Riss' proxy. I stated back then that it made me think one of Marinated/Luv was a rogue and felt it would make more sense for Riss to give it to a rogue, even if she was probably going to go down. Wants to move the lynch off Riss. It's notable that since she never wanted to lynch Riss, Riss could have given the proxy to innocent Mari / innocent Luv as people who didn't really want to lynch her rather than rogue teammates, so if she can be saved, she is, and if she can't it throws suspicion to two innocents. While I think Riss is smart enough to do this, I still think the better position is to go 1 rogue 1 innocent were I in her place.
Cala in middle of FoS list on Feb 18.
Very dismissal of Bunny's arguments that Marinated is suspicious, leading up to Bunny's ban.
That's. Intriguing. Care to expand on this, Marinated? This is where we all gave you a bit of FoI for proving your vote was stolen and pointing out nefarious villain was your own wording. I still find the excuse of "I didn't notice the PM" to explain the late reveal of "I have no vote" to be odd. Particularly what I'm interested in is what you mean it doesn't class as an action.
I tend to agree with many of her points on DD.
Yeah. Now that I've fully read Marinated and not just skimmed, I'm pretty sure she's innocent. I remember why I thought she was a rogue before, and with how things have played out I no longer do. Mari - if you're a rogue, well played, but I don't think you are.
Therefore, Unvote.
Continuing on from that, I'm left thinking that Luv was poking me to look at Marinated thinking that I would reach this conclusion. If Luv and Marinated are rogues together, we're all buggered. In every other case, Luv has to be innocent and think Marinated is innocent or it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
On to Cala.
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Post by Setsusa on Feb 28, 2013 21:23:50 GMT -8
There's a ridiculous amount of "y u no post" to a lot of people while posting a small amount of nothing. And then Bunny gets "You make my head hurt, tl;dr". wat.
Her points on Twopatch come when there are quite a few votes on him, but she keeps going at it. Is it excessive or is it just meaningless. It's the hardest she's pushed someone all game, and the lynch was decided pretty well a whole day before the deadline for once.
Aside from that, I don't really come up with anything on Cala. What are you hoping I would see here Luv?
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Post by Setsusa on Feb 28, 2013 21:29:47 GMT -8
Also on Rosegold's content post before her lynch. Yeah, don't do that. There's a difference between doing what you can, and not playing. I'm willing to admit that the past 3 days ish I have noticeably not played.
Life takes precedence and all, with the way you kept posting a few times a Day, rarely as it was I'm pretty sure many of us held hope you would find the time to play actively. This line of "If it weren't for me you wouldn't be playing, would you" makes me dislike you as a person without knowing anything about you. Yasmi once said I have a grandiose sense of self importance and it would really hurt my feelings if you were aiming to take that title from me.
Note the joke there. But seriously, I doubt anyone's really upset that you couldn't play, it's just a town benefit to remove players you have no impression of because either they are rogues, or people the rogues will never remove.
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Post by Setsusa on Feb 28, 2013 22:07:21 GMT -8
So. I read the rules.
DD, let's see your PM screenshot.
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Post by Jolyma on Feb 28, 2013 22:28:03 GMT -8
Sets, I've gone around and around the same things about Duck. He just doesn't make sense, and the whole, 'but I lied as an innocent before' defense was a bit over the top for me. Doing it before doesn't mean anything about now. If he's innocent, all he's done is cause massive confusion, because there was no point to his roleclaim. If he's a rogue, he's caused massive confusion, he's cast doubt on any suspicion of him, and if he had succeeded in getting us to lynch Marinated, he could have said, "oops, my bad, worked before."
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Post by Setsusa on Feb 28, 2013 22:30:06 GMT -8
Which is why he should show us his PM in a screenshot because for once it's within the rules.
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Post by Jolyma on Feb 28, 2013 22:34:04 GMT -8
Oh, hey a whole other page I missed!
Sets, I think Luv is innocent because she pretty well led the way on Twopatch.
I have thought for a couple Days now that Marinated is innocent, because she poked holes in a couple FOI theories about her that I think a Rogue her would have let slide past without mention.
I think you're innocent because of Riss.
I'm anti-distraction lynching too, my defense of Master in Cluedo had nothing to do with alignment. But, I have no trouble with lynching because someone isn't believable. The problem lies in, do I want to lynch Ducky because I'm mad he lied and was a distraction, or do I want to lynch Ducky because we've caught him in a lie that makes him a dirty, dirty rogue.
Sets, I'm not sure at this point I'd believe a screenshot, because I've seen them faked before, and rather well. Oh, hi Luv! XD
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Post by Jolyma on Feb 28, 2013 22:36:12 GMT -8
See you in the morning! I didn't realize it was 1:30 AM
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Phoenix
Cabin Person
I come from the Land Down Under
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Post by Phoenix on Feb 28, 2013 22:52:15 GMT -8
Personally I would prefer to lynch DementedDuck today, I think that for me personally there is more than enough doubt that his role is on the side of the town for me to believe that he's a rogue. I'm also really not a fan of the lying part of things.
But I may (if dipshit actually shows up) have no child this weekend so will need a distraction while my son isn't home and my insommnia is as normal when that happens worse than ever. So I do plan on going back and re-reading everything.
I will say that I can also see the case for Cala being a rogue since there's usually.... more.... from Cala.
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Post by Crazy Mg on Feb 28, 2013 23:40:41 GMT -8
When it comes to Cala being rogue my gut says Yes! but my head says no.
I'm still exhausted, so I skimmed a bit, but that's interesting about the rules, I'd like to see a screenshot as well.
Gonna have an early night and I'll see you in the morning
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Post by cala on Mar 1, 2013 0:02:16 GMT -8
There is never going to be the long lengthy posts of 5 years ago from me, I have 2 pre-schoolers and a job that demands more of my time. I give what I can and that isn't going to change for the forseeable whilst I play ROMS.
So, lets all focus on Cala because she is a mid-way voter, is that what we are saying? I may be a gut player but I wouldn't have gone all out to vote Twopatch, even when people wanted to move I was stating not to as my gut screamed rogue. As for voting, I vote when I feel I have enough about a person, not slam in vote in from nowhere then spending the rest of the day trying to justify why I voted the way I do, which is what has happened from a lot of people this game.
I've been lynched in the past by the rogues because they are getting to nervy with me hanging around and my roguedar being pretty strong. Luvessy even went as far earlier toDay to say "6 innocents, 2 rogues. Pressure is on" And then promptly votes me in the post later having never really pointed a finger in my direction. Starting to worry about the fact I'm still here Luv and as a rogue you want me gone?
Now moving on from me, DD why would you be so selfish to protect yourself over Yasmi, as in what did you think we would gain from you staying in the game over Yasmi?
Yasmi's ban gave me pause for thought over a Doctor role. Maybe we didn't have one this game, or maybe they were banned early, as to me it would make sense to have Yasmi protected following her role-claim if the Doctor was still around.
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Phoenix
Cabin Person
I come from the Land Down Under
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Post by Phoenix on Mar 1, 2013 3:35:53 GMT -8
Cala when I said more from you it's not post length that I was referring to, it was..... Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm sure you used to give us lists with your votes saying where people were in your roguedar. So yeah, I can see the case for where you might be rogue, but then in the same breath I know that I've changed the way I play as well so while I can see it, there's not enough there for me to be certain.
DementedDuck on the other hand.... By protecting himself he sacrificed the only Role that we knew about that was in any way information gathering. Yes this occured to me while I was sitting in the godsforsaken ER tonight. It feels wrong. Very wrong.
But at the same time right this moment I'm 4 and a half hours into an 8 hour slow release morphine level pain killer. I ain't voting until morning at the earliest. My morning. It's half 10 at night atm here. Going to lie down and be in pain in bed instead of in a chair.
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Phoenix
Cabin Person
I come from the Land Down Under
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Post by Phoenix on Mar 1, 2013 3:46:01 GMT -8
Just so that people know why I'm waiting. My back is sore enough through the pain killers and there's a nerve pinched in there that I have no feeling in my toes. The pain killers affect my brain - I had to take off my shoes and socks because I thought my toes had run away since I couldn't see them. If the drug affected thinking still makes sense without the drugs in my body then I'll assume it makes logical sense.
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Post by Luvessy on Mar 1, 2013 6:57:20 GMT -8
Cala said:
Obviously.
It's fine to say you wait to have enough information to lynch. But it's fascinating that that "enough information" consistently puts you in line with the majority voters. What was the convincing bit on Rose that made her a more likely rogue than anyone actively posting?
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Post by Luvessy on Mar 1, 2013 7:25:37 GMT -8
You know, I hate playing screenshots because it becomes a Photoshop contest. But, I'd suggest if you're going that route, a screenshot of the outbox might be more informative.
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Post by DementedDuck on Mar 1, 2013 7:29:08 GMT -8
Okay, quick apology for not being around much toDay and still not posting much of use. I haven't had the time to keep up and right now I'm not feeling like reading the whole Day in one go to get my head around it. My PM screenshot (because that worked so well before lolol). I covered up my email, but otherwise it's untouched. Here's a zoomed in version, too, because apparently photobucket resized the first one and you can't really read it. To address the concerns about me protecting myself instead of yasmi: Firstly, I told you why I chose to do that. I doubted her innocence. Secondly, everyone's raving about how I can just be blocked now, but did you ever consider I was blocked last night? The rogue(s) banned yasmi, so their roleblock was used elsewhere. If I'd tried to protect yasmi, I expect I would have been blocked. The only thing I could have done last night was protect myself. And on that note, a second apology. I claimed too much and shot myself in the foot. You're all right, I'm essentially roleless at this point, unless someone else claims and gets blocked instead. I expect to be blocked every Night, now, and probably be lynched, because I'm a worthless ban.
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Post by DementedDuck on Mar 1, 2013 7:30:46 GMT -8
What would a screenshot of my outbox tell you? You can have it, if it'd help.
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Post by Luvessy on Mar 1, 2013 7:36:05 GMT -8
There's a lot of complication to your role. Outbox would confirm you took actions when you said you did.
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Post by DementedDuck on Mar 1, 2013 7:39:19 GMT -8
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Post by Luvessy on Mar 1, 2013 7:43:59 GMT -8
Speedy!
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Post by DementedDuck on Mar 1, 2013 7:47:21 GMT -8
I realised why you wanted them after I asked, so I got them right away.
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Post by Setsusa on Mar 1, 2013 7:52:09 GMT -8
Yeah that would be pretty hard to fake. YAY DUCK YOU'RE INNOCENT AND NOT A DISTRACTION <3. Also, I had considered the role block going to you last night (logical rogue play) so yeah, either way it probably would't have mattered.
Anyway Luv, I don't see what I'm supposed to see about Cala within her writing itself, the timing of votes and some of the bans makes more of the suspicion than what she's said.
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Post by Luvessy on Mar 1, 2013 8:27:03 GMT -8
Cala for me is not one or two things here and there, but how it all fits together.
The, "I didn't see this coming, you must be a rogue trying to get rid of me" defense also reads a little roguish to me. =-p
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Post by Luvessy on Mar 1, 2013 8:29:26 GMT -8
It's fair if you're not convinced. Cala's good, and if a rogue, is not going to be obvious. Just thought you should take a look where I thought there's a rogue first, rather than waiting until last. I think if Cala's not a rogue, then Marinated probably is. But cart before the horse.
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Post by cala on Mar 1, 2013 9:20:52 GMT -8
Cala for me is not one or two things here and there, but how it all fits together. The, "I didn't see this coming, you must be a rogue trying to get rid of me" defense also reads a little roguish to me. =-p As does the anticpated reply - rogueish When looking at Rose why look just at me, what about the last minute lynchees in Phoe and Mari? Or the others who voted her? As I said when I voted Rose, my gut was telling me she was possibly a first time player who had rolled a rogue and in hiding it probably felt easier than posting. Plus she always just appeared in enough time to put a vote in. I got it wrong, but my gut isn't always right - noone's perfect
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Post by Setsusa on Mar 1, 2013 9:34:03 GMT -8
Crazymg and Phoe ping me more than Cala, to be honest.
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Post by Luvessy on Mar 1, 2013 9:34:56 GMT -8
That question would be fair if the vote for Rose was the only reason I'm suspicious of you.
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