Phoenix
Cabin Person
I come from the Land Down Under
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Post by Phoenix on Feb 8, 2013 19:21:53 GMT -8
Does anyone else feel like they've stumbled into a stage play written and performed by ADHD squirrels on meth? Every day Tae, every day. It's interesting to me that some people seem more concerned about FoIs than FoSs. For some reason, it seems like there's a higher hesitancy about FoI. Quote snipped a little bit. Personally I'm more concerned about a Finger of Innocence than a Finger of Suspicion because it's harder to change someone's mind if they're convinced that someone is innocent. And considering that Sets had declared Joly innocent with what maybe 3 posts to her name? That makes me a little worried. And a FOS can be high or medium or low, but it seems that a FOI is just a flat out "You're innocent." My personal view is that everyone gets a FOS to start the game. Because I only know for certain what I am - especially in a roled game, there's all sorts of evil ideas I can come up with for roles that could have someone being flipped, or be working their own game against the rogue team, or have a very different win condition to everyone else playing etc etc. I played TMBTC's game with Computer Lyaka, Rogues, the Joker blowing up the town - as a VAMPIRE where I had to convert people, didn't matter who won. I also played as a rogue with WingsOfWisdom I think it was creating a faked Innocent PM screenshot - and having it believed. So yeah, stating that you find someone to be innocent on Day 1 with less than posts from them? I find it odd. The only place I think that I personally will believe a confirmed innocent is in the Dead Thread. It's why I think a FOI is odd.
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Post by Setsusa on Feb 8, 2013 19:46:04 GMT -8
I like how some people are convinced that I commit to random shenanigans, and others think it's a commitment to a notion for the game. On Day one. It's good that we have a broad scope of what I could be doing or could not be doing because that means that some of us know and some of us don't and there is a decent chance that all of us are just trying to find our own way in this revolution.
What's interesting is that there are many people saying "I am concerned with what you have done thus far" and there is not commitment towards it. We also have quite a few silent people.
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Post by DementedDuck on Feb 8, 2013 20:43:27 GMT -8
I think it's reeeeally obvious that Van is joking, whether to watch reactions or just for the sake of joking.
It's okay Van, I laughed.
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Post by Jolyma on Feb 8, 2013 21:04:56 GMT -8
Ok, so I may be completely off base, but while rogues, especially after Riku was lynched, Sets and I talked in the chat box. A LOT. About quite a few things, some of it actually being game theory and some even being pertinent to Cluedo ROMS. From what I am seeing, he is basing his FOI on knowledge gained from that about me. Luv, for me, it makes sense that not only will people jump to FOS, they should also jump to FOI. It's not suspicious to me that FOI has been given, it's just that when people give it to me, I then wonder about the shadow over there in the corner, that keeps shifting to look like someone holding a knife...I'm not sure if that makes sense or not. I mean, I'm always happy to get it, I just keep waiting for the other shoe to fall. From what I learned of Sets while rogue with him, regardless of his alignment, he doesn't seem to get cornered into one train of thought, like the esteemed Det. Holmes warns about. So I'm not worried about tunnel vision or rogue colored glasses with him as much as I used to be. Now if it were Van giving me the FOI, I'd be screaming for his head for odd behavior (ok, I almost put a 'u' in that word. I'm not British, stop trying to convert me!!!). I needed smelling salts when he agreed with me. I sometimes think if I said the sky was up, he would make an argument that it was down, just to be contrary. (I <3 you Van, I really do I know you will take that as jesting as I intended it to be). Also, I have the urge to belt out La Marseilles, vaguely remembered from high school French class. I love the revolution theme! **wanders over to a corner and starts checking out city maps**
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Post by Luvessy on Feb 8, 2013 21:05:29 GMT -8
Sure, you can say, "this is only my initial read, of course I'll change it as things progress" but you're likely to interpret all future happenings in light of the preconceived notion you began with. That's why we get "rogue colored glasses" - once we "feel" like somebody's a rogue, everything they do looks roguish, even if they end up innocent. Sure. But that notion, if genuine, would influence you whether you stated it in the thread or not. To Phoe- I know that that's your MO. I used to start that way too, with high paranoia. And then one game (I couldn't tell you which), I was having a hard time deciding who to vote for because most people seemed innocent to me (although I don't think I stated such in the thread). Anyway, I realized that that actually made sense because most of us are innocent. We need to look for things that make people suspicious, rather than assuming everyone is.
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Post by Jolyma on Feb 8, 2013 21:06:45 GMT -8
Stop posting while I'm typing I haven't figured out how to see if anyone has posted in the meantime.
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Post by Luvessy on Feb 8, 2013 21:09:30 GMT -8
Could say the same to you. :-P
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Post by Jolyma on Feb 8, 2013 21:10:16 GMT -8
Sneaky snipey peoples!
I get what you're saying Luv. It's hard to get past being fooled though. And the people I start trusting usually are ones who have fooled me in the past, which leads me to doubt myself, which leads me down a dark road of knife wielding shadows.
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Post by Jolyma on Feb 8, 2013 21:15:38 GMT -8
Ugh. This is usually when I want to vote for someone, so discussion can happen before the deadline (which is less than 24 hours away I believe). I could vote for someone random, just to see what shakes loose, but I'm not sure that's productive.
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Post by Setsusa on Feb 8, 2013 21:41:09 GMT -8
I thought we agreed we were all voting for Talisker.
Did you miss the special meeting for innocents only by the bar at half past the strike of midnight? I'm on to you, rogue.
People I would vote toDay: DD, Talisker.
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Post by Vantastic on Feb 8, 2013 23:15:48 GMT -8
It's interesting to me that some people seem more concerned about FoIs than FoSs. If we recognize that FoS means, "I find this person suspicious, and they may be a crook!" why are people so reluctant to view FoI as, "This person does not strike me as suspicious, and they may be innocent." For some reason, it seems like there's a higher hesitancy about FoI. In short, I'm not bothered by it any more than first day suspicions. Their oppressive regime will try to break up any organized resistance that we muster! Who is left to challenge the noble hearted, once supported by the people? Only the wicked, I say. I request that the Perimeter Guard occasionally gaze towards: Riss Phoenix
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Post by Vantastic on Feb 8, 2013 23:27:43 GMT -8
I needed smelling salts when he agreed with me. I sometimes think if I said the sky was up, he would make an argument that it was down, just to be contrary. (I <3 you Van, I really do I know you will take that as jesting as I intended it to be). Well, If I were standing on my head the sky would be down, would it not? I enjoy our verbal sparring matches as well Jolyma, and I know you'll recognize my most recent one by the sarcasm I intended for it. That is, about me completely agreeing with you.
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Post by rosegold on Feb 8, 2013 23:29:23 GMT -8
Hmm, unsure of how to take Sets, but it seems as though I'm not alone in that regard, so I'll just note that it happened for now. While I do agree that FoI's have a much more powerful meaning than a "leaning innocent" or a "neutral to innocent", they really need to be taken with a grain of salt, both by the caster and the rest of the town. Keep an open mind. What we believe is what we see. Deadline is later tonight, right? (It's 2am, so I can say that) Yikes. Seems to be a bit all over the place so far. PS: I was confused about why everyone kept talking about ads, then I remembered that I had this nifty little thing installed for Chrome. I would highly recommend this, as it gets rid of YouTube and Hulu (etc) ads too. adblockplus.org/en/chrome
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Twopatch
Cabin Person
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Post by Twopatch on Feb 9, 2013 2:07:01 GMT -8
@crazy, if you look back on my early performance in last game, I wasn't really paying much attention. But you are right, I can see that she Tae does say it every game it seems. I will adjust my note and move on. From a meta perspective I don't think aggressive policing at the cost of a townie is that helpful while I do understand its merit. It is akin to burning down a forest to catch a fox.
I can see motives for rogue and innocent to hand out FoI in the manner Sets is. I am more interested in the fallout. Rogues like events, and will often be found in the surround. Problem day one is that everyone is looking for something interesting to talk about.
I will be reading back but I won't be voting setsusa today. I will however be paying attention. the FoI is not a neutral move, a motive is there so schroedingers setsusa is currently both innocent and rogue.
Still reading
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Twopatch
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Post by Twopatch on Feb 9, 2013 2:11:54 GMT -8
What's interesting is that there are many people saying "I am concerned with what you have done thus far" and there is not commitment towards it. We also have quite a few silent people. I'm not sure how you want people to "commit", you want the town to decide that you are a rogue or innocent now?
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Twopatch
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Post by Twopatch on Feb 9, 2013 2:31:14 GMT -8
People I would vote toDay: DD, Talisker. You and Van "sharing?" Why vote that way? I'm still undecided where I'm voting yet.
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Post by yasmi on Feb 9, 2013 2:50:52 GMT -8
Here are my thoughts: Innocent Sets is setting a trap and seeing what gets caught. Innocent Sets has a better grasp on me that I have on him, and his gut tells him FOI. Rogue Sets is setting me up. Rogue Sets is trying to get on my good side right off because I scare him, and is taking a chance on the fact that it's hard to get one's subconscious to suspect someone who believes you innocent.
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Post by yasmi on Feb 9, 2013 2:51:35 GMT -8
meh i screwed up my quote, was ment to quote Joly there, blame my tiny tapscreen
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Post by Marinated on Feb 9, 2013 3:10:32 GMT -8
Vote: Vantasticfor not voting Talisker in post 100. We could've had a nice wagon going by now! FoS: DD - gut feeling based on post 122. I'm still undecided where I'm voting yet. Does this mean you have someone in mind? Stop posting while I'm typing I haven't figured out how to see if anyone has posted in the meantime. I always write my post in a separate tab. That way it's easy to look back or refresh the thread in the original tab. PS: I was confused about why everyone kept talking about ads, then I remembered that I had this nifty little thing installed for Chrome. I would highly recommend this, as it gets rid of YouTube and Hulu (etc) ads too. adblockplus.org/en/chromeYes, adblockplus also works well for firefox. Noscript is useful too.
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Post by DementedDuck on Feb 9, 2013 4:00:34 GMT -8
Areeeee you serious right now, marinated? Gut based on a light post?
Why me, sets?
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Post by firebolt153 on Feb 9, 2013 6:55:09 GMT -8
Well, Mari might be voting based on a light post, but it's still not sitting right with me how Van was all "I trust people!" this early. So given that, I will also
Vote: Vantastic
And Van, why Riss and Phoe? They've both posted some good points. I'd be looking toward some of the quieter members of this revolution. People who aren't rioting in this sort of thing also cause me to look in their direction.
I lol'd
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Post by Jolyma on Feb 9, 2013 8:22:59 GMT -8
That...doesn't make sense. Not terribly comfortable with that vote from Firebolt. He's saying the same thing Luv is, really, just in a different manner, if that's what you're boiling things down to.
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Post by Bunnylaroo on Feb 9, 2013 8:34:34 GMT -8
Firebolt, I'm interested in how you got from this, posted yesterday evening: Firebolt wrote
To voting van for "trusting people". Isn't a vote a more concrete expression of suspicion than a "serious FoS"?
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Post by Setsusa on Feb 9, 2013 8:40:33 GMT -8
Re: 2Patch. It's only been "Why u do this" or "You make me uncomfortable" while people ask me to explain, which is fine and all there is also a lot of not explaining the other way. Not many statements of X that Sets did makes me feel Y. More people have said they are "uncomfortable" about what I've done than "suspicious" of it. And why vote that way? Because obviously Vantastic and I discussed that if we get a bandwagon for Talisker going day one we can remove a really strong player.
I'd rather vote DD than Talisker right now.
I would not create a tie to save Vantastic if that is the direction the lynch goes, but I expect a no lynch with the lack of activity in that regard thus far.
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Post by DementedDuck on Feb 9, 2013 8:51:49 GMT -8
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Post by Vantastic on Feb 9, 2013 9:18:39 GMT -8
And why vote that way? Because obviously Vantastic and I discussed that if we get a bandwagon for Talisker going day one we can remove a really strong player. Perhaps you saw one of my flyers in the local pub? As I recall, I never spoke to you or made mention of bandwagons or Talisker's aptitudes. I would not create a tie to save Vantastic if that is the direction the lynch goes, but I expect a no lynch with the lack of activity in that regard thus far. Betrayer! One second you agree with me and the next you throw me under the bandwagon! It's ok, I still trust you.
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Post by firebolt153 on Feb 9, 2013 9:27:46 GMT -8
From what I understood of Luv's post, she wasn't concerned either way over FoS or FoI, whereas I have a slight problem with FoI this early in the game. I don't think I've played with Van before, so maybe it's just I'm not used to his style of play. It's also Day 1, and I'm of the camp that lynching on Day 1 is helpful. If we don't, we're left with nothing to go on except the ban results on Day 2, which may or may not be helpful because the rogues might just ban someone randomly over banning someone they think is a threat. It's what, seven hours to Nightfall and we have two votes. I cast my vote because of being in that lynching for info on Day 1 camp, and of the suspicions I have of people, Van was the highest one.
Quoting Luv:
In short, Van freely handing out "I trust you bro!" made me suspicious, and so there I voted.
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Taelac
Officer
Be bold. It makes your enemies hesitate.
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Post by Taelac on Feb 9, 2013 9:43:06 GMT -8
At the moment, any vote I cast would be a vote of irritation, rather than one based on suspicion. I'm pretty sure it's a function of the tweaker squirrels someone let loose in here.
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Post by Setsusa on Feb 9, 2013 10:34:56 GMT -8
Someone posing as Vantastic has contacted me! This act shall not be forgiven, abusing his persona to accomplish their own means.
Vote: DD
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Riss
Cabin Person
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Post by Riss on Feb 9, 2013 11:14:24 GMT -8
Is it bad that I was reading Marinated's vote on Van - as a joke rather than a serious one. >.>
Tae - why are you so irraited dear?
Firebolt - This will sound odd, but can you explain the "Phoe and Riss made good points" a bit more?
So I am prettyyy sure I don't have work due to being hit with 30 inches of snow. I called and haven't gotten in and not really wanting to drive over and check. >.>
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