ROMS 17.995: Luck of the Draw [Town Victory]

AL, I didn't give you FOI. I said I was leaning innocent. Now you're exaggerating my lean into a stronger FOI, which I'm not a fan of. I do think the miscount can tell me something, whereas Leif said it couldn't really. Hence the lean. This last post of yours has you on my watchlist now. I really feel like you're going out of your way to mischaracterize my posts.

Sets, I'd like to hear more from you. All we've got in terms of your suspicions are watch on Tae and Leif and a joke vote still on Sea, and I don't know if that indicates you plan to vote this round or not.

Right now I'm unwilling to vote Sea or Sets. Tae is bugging me more after my re-read, but that would mean 5 votes on 5 different people, which is not helpful at all. That leaves me with Mari, AL and Leif. Leif has dropped back to Neutral upon re-read...he's just not bugging me anymore now that I'm looking at AL and Tae. With AL, I'm willing to give her time to respond to what I've said. Tae just voted Mari. With my rising twitches about her, that gives me pause on Mari. However, Mari said

and since then hasn't come up with anything else to comment on, really. I expected her to be more vocal, so it feels like maybe she's sitting back to see if things go sour. I expect her to say something after the vote from Tae, so if it were earlier in the Day I'd hold off voting, but we've only got a few hours and for half of them I'll be commuting.

For now, I'll

Vote: Marinated

I'll be back before I leave the office.

And now I need to go read the tutorial on attributing quotes.

I won't be voting Sea, and I probably won't be voting toDay.

Need to catch-up on the thread after food but as a starting point I'm not currently willing to vote for Sets or Al.

Here's your quote:
"and as actually looking was the only way you could have known the game was on, apart from receiving a role pm"
Please explain the misrepresentation.


Other than saying it "Seems strange" that was pretty much all that was offered. It was later dropped after I mentioned it.

What bothers me on the whole thing is that the reasoning seems so contrived. In that there wasn't much in the way of reasoning provided. I don't understand the confusion of how someone could think there were 6 players when there were 6 clear signups and one ambiguous.

As we're getting closer to the deadline, I realized I'll most probably pass it sitting in rush hour traffic. There's a slight chance I make it home by then, but it's not consistent enough to be on it. I'll basically be out of pocket for the last hour, so anyone with questions, I'd appreciate them sooner rather than later.

To respond to Tae saying I don't seem quite the same this early game, it does hinge on the count for me. I've been pretty consistent in favoring a lynch, and with the shortness of the game, it behooves us to be a little less dilatory.

My impressions after day 1:
Aethera - it's been so long since I've played with her, I don't remember tendencies well. I do sort of see where AL is going with hedging, but on the whole, nothing stick out. Neutral here.
Taelac - It's pure gut, but I'm sorta leaning innocent on Tae. Admittedly, I don't have a good reason, she just reads like Tae to me.
Leif - Obviously innocent. And dashing.
AhoyLindsay - Neutral. I think rogues can make slapdash mistakes as easily as townies. The one thing niggling me a little was the "would you really have been willing to lynch me for it?" post. Something about that caught my eye. I'm not sure why. There's maybe a slight bit of 'can I get away with this sort of thing?' to it.
Setsusa - Not very active. I know his reasons are often sparse, but it's still a little frustrating. The line that gave me pause here was "I don't think Mari would joke join a joke bandwagon to start the game as a rogue, well I doubt very many people would." There's a slight implication of innocence there. I also don't like the pass as much, as we know Marinated plays where some early random votes are expected. The "I think the AL miscount is a meh discussion." comment was also pretty shallow, as I think it's more important what the discussion says about Marinated, or me. You know, I was going to lean innocent, since it struck me as fairly typical, but taking a second look, I'm less sure. Watch.
Marinated - Obviously find suspicious, as I'm currently voting there. See previous reasons.
SeastarX - Neutral, though I wonder about a need to catch up on so short a thread.

The actual quote was:
"It seems strange that you didn't look to see the final play-list, or read the latest posts in the signup thread, when you came to see if the game had started, and as actually looking was the only way you could have known the game was on, apart from receiving a role pm, it makes me wonder if you did in fact receive one."
The part I bolded above is the misrep of what I said here.



Yes, the "seems strange" was all I offered! Why would you expect me to repeat a mere speculation? I jumped from a completely random vote on Seastar to a vote on someone who made what seemed to me to be an odd excuse. I would have expected her to just say she miscounted but she didn't and that raised an eyebrow. Why are you making such a mountain out of a molehill out of it? As to your last sentence there weren't six clear signups - go back and look at what I said in post 11.

Seastar signed up after me. If AL had seen that she would have known there were possibly seven there.

I think I see the miscommunication here..."actually looking" doesn't refer to reading the signup thread, it refers to "when you came to see if the game had started."

I initially read it the same way Leif appears to have read it, and as that was part of my twitchiness on Marinated, that actually makes Sets my highest twitch.

Unvote: Marinated

Voting Sets doesn't seem like it'll be a lot of help, though. I will almost certainly be in the middle of dinner at the deadline, but I can keep half an eye on the thread for the next 15-20 minutes. I'm willing to vote Sets or Aethera, at the moment.

I guess I can see that side of it. Not how I read it, but it at least accounts somewhat for the lack of explanation.

Unvote: Marinated

I would vote Taelac toDay, but I'd rather a no lynch and won't be voting Aethera.

I'm not a huge fan of voting Taelac either, but an "I have to go, here's a vote let's gather information" post when there's very little information to be gathered and which is set up to give Tae to point back to if something goes awry near deadline or Aethera comes up innocent does not sit well with me at the moment.

Leif, I don't think squabbling over semantics or misinterpretation, or misrepresentation of words as a cause of it to be very revealing to your or Mari's status, or anyone's who is in this game. I don't think either of you would refrain from having a discussion such as this as an innocent, or as a rogue, nor do I think you'd push it along as either in this game context. Given further information later when it gets looked over it might yield something, but alone right now to me it doesn't mean a great deal.

Most of my posts have come on a phone and therefore are super short. Apologies for that, but I had intended to have a slow start to this game anyway, that might carry into the next Day but should rampantly pick up when we near the weekend, presuming I'm alive after a Day or two.

Gonna split this up so it can be posted as I'm going along.

Thoughts in general:

Al - pretty much as they were in my earlier post. I'm not convinced by the 'hedging' argument though; it could be levelled just as easily at several posts not just Tae's and Aethera's.

Aethera - something that I found a bit weird on reading through her newer posts initially was her going from waiting to hear from Sets to leaning innocent on him after his two posts where he listed everyone as sus/neutral/innocent with no explanation and then the short clarifications on Al, Marinated and herself (saying all three are innocent). Musing on it a little more, I can actually see a logic in there as Sets essentially placed three people into a neutral-innocent bracket which would narrow his options as a rogue considerably. So on reflection I can see how that might work, but the fact Aethera didn't say why she was leaning innocent on Sets bugs me a little.

Sets - would be quite bold to put three people straight onto an innocent footing if a rogue. It's possible but would seem unwise. Then again, it's Sets so who really knows

So why even raise the suggestion that the count might have been faked? Why would a rogue be thought any more likely than an innocent to know how many players there were? It looked like you were trying to spread a little suspicion while disassociating yourself from the thought.

I was trying to figure out why the heck someone (you) would be voting for her, and that was the best I could do - an idea I had to dismiss as unlikely. And if I were the rogue the first thing I would do is the day-by-day math in a tiny game like this. Which is exactly what I said in the first post, but you keep asking me. You're not reading.

So I'm making that:

Aethera: 3 (AhoyLindsay, Taelac, Marinated)
Marinated: 1 (Aethera)

Total: 4

No Vote: 3 (Leif, Setsusa, SeastarX)

Which is a no lynch. (4 people voted but the rules state they all have to vote for the same person to secure it.)

You can post freely but not vote. I need a PM regarding a ban choice by 4:30am PDT on 23rd May. Other than that, y'all have a nice night.