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Post by firebolt153 on Feb 20, 2013 19:13:20 GMT -8
Oh. Haven't heard anything back yet.
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Post by Jolyma on Feb 20, 2013 19:34:08 GMT -8
I disagree Sets. I don't see anything for DD to gain from a fake claim. He wasn't under much suspicion, in fact, a few people thought because of interactions/comments about/comments from Riss, he was most likely innocent.
I also disagree that a vote steal is rogue aligned only. I mean, we've had innocents get a night kill ability and use it on who they think is most likely rogue, without other proof.
As for unusual for tracker and watcher to appear together in a role, I don't know that it's usual, but I've seen it once for an innocent, and I've seen it once as a rogue power, where the rogues had to choose who did the watching/tracking and they could do one or the other, but not both. It's why Yasmi's role claim didn't move her anywhere for me.
I didn't play or read DC, and I don't recall ever seeing a scavenger role before, so I am having trouble deciding where that falls.
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Post by Crazy Mg on Feb 20, 2013 19:39:24 GMT -8
Crazy, why didn't you move your vote to Tae earlier, rather than keeping it on Yasmi? I explained this earlier, I wanted to break the tie incase no one else would. Once I saw Sets switch, so did I.
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Post by Luvessy on Feb 20, 2013 20:12:09 GMT -8
You're right that you asked if people would be willing to switch earlier in the evening. But what I'm wondering is why, after Yasmi role-claimed, you waited for other people to switch (Sets with two votes, for example) before you did. And you've answered it - that you wanted the tie broken, but why not move and then move back if necessary? Meh, it was just something I noticed and it stands out even more now that Tae's been lynched. Anyway, thanks for reminding me to re-read what you posted. I meant to ask. What does this mean? I don't think a rogue marinated would switch off Riss like she said, staying there would give her more FoI. So once again I say, I think Marinated is innocent. Who is "she"?
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Post by Crazy Mg on Feb 20, 2013 20:26:26 GMT -8
opps, was meant to me "like she did"
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Post by Luvessy on Feb 20, 2013 20:35:47 GMT -8
Okay. Marinated never voted for Riss...
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Post by Crazy Mg on Feb 20, 2013 20:39:23 GMT -8
then i must've read the vote tally on the wiki wrong >.>
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Post by yasmi on Feb 21, 2013 0:31:40 GMT -8
I am the neighbourhood watchman. I can chose to either track or watch someone at night. Last night I went to CrazyMg.but I was.blocked by someone and couldn't find out anything.
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Post by cala on Feb 21, 2013 1:30:06 GMT -8
I reached train station. Mari if I survive.tonight I will be looking into Luv Yasmi - You said above that you'd look into Luv but looked into Crazy instead, any particular reason? I am also curious about you being blocked, its implying there is some kind of blocking role out there, and to me it leans more towards a rogue one than an innocent one. In my head I cannot fathom how this would be useful to an innocent particular if used on a fellow innocent, why would anyone do that? Instead its screaming rogue power to me. Crazy is still sitting high up on my FOS list, her contradictory posts toDay makes her stand out even more. I am gonna have to have a good re-read as my "heads in the shed" as they say.
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Post by cala on Feb 21, 2013 1:32:02 GMT -8
the* See I can't even type anymore Damn head cold.
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Post by yasmi on Feb 21, 2013 2:36:10 GMT -8
I wanna look into luv as in review, also I dont think it would be a great idea to forecast who I am looking at night. I am at work today and tomorrow, I ll read on my breaks.
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Post by Crazy Mg on Feb 21, 2013 3:16:20 GMT -8
If the rogues have a blocking power, that could be why Yasmi wasn't banned.
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Post by Crazy Mg on Feb 21, 2013 3:17:55 GMT -8
How are my posts contradictory, Cala?
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Post by cala on Feb 21, 2013 3:42:12 GMT -8
Maybe contradictory is the wrong word, but floundering may be a better way to describe it. You made the error of saying Mari voted Riss which she never did. Also I know you responded to me yesterday regarding why you voted Yasmi and not Tae was to avoid a tie, yet you pushed for Tae but didn't switch yourself until Sets and Yas had. Why push for someone you believe is rogue if you aren't prepared to vote for them in the first instance?
On a different note I am glad your migraines have stopped. As a fellow sufferer I know how debilitating they can be.
Rosegold - please can we have something from you soon?
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Post by Crazy Mg on Feb 21, 2013 3:46:50 GMT -8
I was prepared to vote for Tae, I just didn't know if anyone else was going to and misreading something does not make me a rogue.
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Post by Marinated on Feb 21, 2013 6:18:22 GMT -8
I've been having a rethink and am now looking at Cala, Luvessy, Twopatch, and one of DD and Firebolt as my main concerns. I'm not entirely dropping my FoS on Crazy, Yasmi, Jolyma and Phoenix but they're pretty low now. Going back to what I said about FB and DD's roles/powers being overpowered if both were rogues, I'm inclined to think the same would apply if they were both town, although I am not quite so sure on that. Cala is primarily for post 600 which was her first ever mention of Riss, not even a twitch previously, and suddenly Riss is her top FoS at a point where it seems unlikely she will avoid being lynched. From what she says about Riss in that post it's surprising she didn't mention her earlier. As for the rest of the post, well maybe it's because I'm not keen on this type of post because it looks like a lot of content but doesn't tell me very much. That is, it's the sort of post that's more likely to come from a rogue. I am also curious about you being blocked, its implying there is some kind of blocking role out there, and to me it leans more towards a rogue one than an innocent one. In my head I cannot fathom how this would be useful to an innocent particular if used on a fellow innocent, why would anyone do that? Instead its screaming rogue power to me. Why would anyone do that? Because they don't think the person is innocent. I get the feeling from this that she's overlooked the fact that innocents don't usually know who else is innocent. Roleblocker can easily be a town role and has been before in ROMS. @ Cala: I'm still waiting to hear why you thought I seemed nervous. Vote: CalaIt would be quite a coincidence to have two long-term players both being first-time rogues (more-or-less) in the same game but I think that's what we have here.
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Post by firebolt153 on Feb 21, 2013 6:49:20 GMT -8
Yasmi that's interesting. Crazy was the person I checked toDay and it said nothing happened to her. I checked her because I thought you were going to check Luv . I thought maybe the roleblocking was my doing, because when I pick up someone's power, they don't get to use it while I have it, but the timing is off. If you had been able to track/watch her, I would have known because you're a Night action and mine is the following Day.
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Post by cala on Feb 21, 2013 8:01:46 GMT -8
Mari – I am well aware that as innocents we don’t know who else is innocent, but with all the role-claiming at the end of yesterDay, you losing your vote, DD enlightening us toDay he took it because he thought you might be a rogue and was protecting a last minute vote. We also had FB claim that she had the vote if it wasn’t used to use, and we had Yasmi role-claim a watcher/tracker role. Certainly enough to get my mind whirring considering it’s a long time since I played any kind of role game. In my head I cannot see why an innocent would use that power unless they thought the person was a rogue, but Yasmi had surely gained herself a sense of FOI from her role-claim and proof of who’d she’d checked the previous nights – myself being one of them it seems. Thus my roguedar screaming at me that the roleblocking one is a rogue power as it makes much more sense.
As for you being nervous I guess it comes to me expecting one kind of playstyle and seeing another from you that’s all.
I would like to know what reason did you have for telling us so late in the day that your vote was stolen?
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Right now I don’t know what to make of DD’s roleclaim of Troublemaker role, I need to read and think some more on that one.
FB - you said that you have taken someone’s vote for today and that person doesn’t have a vote, have I got that right? If so did you choose which person’s to take, or would it be the person who originally stole it from Mari – in this case DD is claiming that was him. Or have I misunderstood?
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Post by firebolt153 on Feb 21, 2013 8:15:11 GMT -8
I took Twopatch's vote because he gunned for Tae hardcore and she ended up flipping innocent, and that did not sit well with me. I took the vote-stealing power from Ducky, but since it's a one-time use power, I don't know if he was blocked from using his role overall last Night. So now I have two votes for toDay, should I choose to use both.
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Post by firebolt153 on Feb 21, 2013 8:58:56 GMT -8
Luv pointing out Crazy's inconsistency is really weird, like they couldn't be rogues together if she was that intent on poking holes in Crazy's thoughts. Crazy WAS instrumental in turning things around on Tae though. And the fact that Yasmi was blocked from tracking/watching after she said she intended to look at Luv is really peculiar. I understand now that Yasmi meant that she was going to review Luv, but I'm apparently not the only one who thought she meant she was going to use her role on Luv. It's a little early for wine, but then that also begs the question of "why would they (assuming the rogues did the blocking) block Yasmi from doing her thing if she had declared her intent to check Luv, because then that would point at Luv being a rogue."
Ugh. Must do moar thinking and rereading.
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Post by DementedDuck on Feb 21, 2013 9:09:53 GMT -8
I didn't try to use my role yesterday, but I didn't get a PM saying I couldn't. firebolt says she checked Crazy and was told nothing happened to her, whilst yasmi says she also used her role on Crazy, so I'm sort of forced to believe firebolt and yasmi aren't both rogues. I believe we're facing one of the following scenarios: - firebolt is a rogue, yasmi is innocent. firebolt is lying about having checked Crazy/Crazy not having been targeted by a role in order to cast doubt on yasmi's roleclaim and get her lynched toDay.
- yasmi is a rogue, firebolt is innocent. Rogue yasmi fakeclaimed to save herself and named Crazy as her target last night, but was unlucky in that firebolt also chose yasmi. This would point to rogue Crazy too, and as I believed Crazy was a rogue before the roleclaim kerfuffle, I'm leaning towards this scenario.
- Both yasmi and firebolt are rogues and this whole thing is a genius win-win scheme for them, because whichever way the town votes, one of them ends up with pretty solid FoI. If this is the case, we're facing a bold and genius rogue team and may as well line up to die right now because damn I will be impressed. I doubt this scenario, though.
It makes no sense for them both to be innocent, because firebolt would have gained yasmi's power for toNight. So I'm leaning on rogue yasmi, rogue Crazy and innocent firebolt, but I will still push a lynch through on firebolt if the town goes that way. I would also like to see marinated lynched, still, especially as she called me a nefarious villain. :[ For now, I will vote: yasmiand that is, of course, subject to change.
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Post by DementedDuck on Feb 21, 2013 9:15:14 GMT -8
ugh, on second thought, if yasmi was blocked it would make sense for them both to be innocent. But my gut is sticking with one of them being a rogue.
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Post by Luvessy on Feb 21, 2013 9:22:15 GMT -8
About Yasmi being blocked: I think it's reasonable to assume that it was a rogue block, although Marinated is correct that role/power blocking (or a paranoid doctor) could be an innocent role. Presumably, only the rogues or person who targeted Yasmi know why she was blocked last night. Yasmi might be able to better explain how she was blocked, but I'm not sure that it's relevant information, as it's more speculation and could reveal an innocent role, if it was not the rogues. So, it may have been an innocent suspicious of Yasmi blocking her. It may have been an innocent protecting Yasmi from a potential ban. It might have been a rogue. blocking her power - making her roleless for the night - to ban Bunny in the meanwhile. Or, Yasmi could be a rogue making the whole thing up.
In any case, I don't think (Firebolt) it at all gives information for me being a rogue, because a rogue, who thinks they are about to be targeted could just not do anything that night. (By this, I am assuming that rogues have to declare who will carry out the ban and who will use what, if any power.) Rogues may want to block a watcher/tracker generally, though, because they don't want the town to have more info (whether about innocents or rogues) and they don't want that role to change their mind and do something unpredicted overnight, if they think they know what the role will do.
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Post by firebolt153 on Feb 21, 2013 9:29:54 GMT -8
Ducky if Yasmi was blocked from using her role on Crazy, that means that Crazy had nothing happen to her. So then when I went to check toDay, it makes sense that I would get a negative report.
Is anyone else having trouble loading pages or is it just me?
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Post by Luvessy on Feb 21, 2013 9:30:32 GMT -8
then i must've read the vote tally on the wiki wrong >.> So, Crazy, you gave Marinated FoI based on a vote she never made...any new thoughts on that?
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Post by DementedDuck on Feb 21, 2013 9:43:36 GMT -8
Yeah, I addressed that in the second post. That eliminates a paranoid doctor being the cause of the roleblock, though, because either you'd have been granted paranoid doctor powers for a Night, or you wouldn't have been able to watch yasmi.
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Post by firebolt153 on Feb 21, 2013 9:49:07 GMT -8
Only if the theoretical paranoid doctor had blocked Crazy. If that was the case, then yes, I would have gotten that role. So it looks like Yasmi was roleblocked, not Crazy.
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Post by Luvessy on Feb 21, 2013 9:49:43 GMT -8
Is anyone else having trouble loading pages...? Yes.
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Post by firebolt153 on Feb 21, 2013 10:51:16 GMT -8
Somehow I missed this, and it is really weird, and when I went to the full thread I couldn't find a previous mention of this, so for the sake of my sanity, can you explain what the bolded part means? (to Joly, and clipped a bit): But, whatever. Questioning why people do what they do is a good thing, I suppose. I'm just leary of what appears to me to be a logical fallacy. So, did you have bacon for breakfast or did you have sausage?Because Luv amuses me. It's the occasionally role playing thing. That and like Leif I can never get a read on Luv - until such time as she is in the dead thread and I am too. Then I can get a read on her. I'm still weirded out. I'm not doing an obvious role play this game, and its the first mention of me. Makes me think you've up to something or have some nefarious plans. I didn't think you were role-playing at all? This post here you're willing to vote Tae when previously (at least it seemed to me) you seemed a little more suspicious of Twopatch over her. This was before the mass vote movement to Tae, so the timing seems a little weird. Rosegold's appearance last night got me thinking. She showed up right before the deadline and voted, which suggests to me that she either checked in and saw the deadline was looming and cast a vote to stay active, or she got nudged from rogue teammates to jump in. Also, is someone able to update the wiki? I would but I break things when I try to edit pages.
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Post by Luvessy on Feb 21, 2013 11:13:39 GMT -8
Somehow I missed this, and it is really weird, and when I went to the full thread I couldn't find a previous mention of this, so for the sake of my sanity, can you explain what the bolded part means? (to Joly, and clipped a bit): But, whatever. Questioning why people do what they do is a good thing, I suppose. I'm just leary of what appears to me to be a logical fallacy. So, did you have bacon for breakfast or did you have sausage?It's an example of what I meant by logical fallacy. The question pre-supposes that you had one of two breakfast meats, when there are many options, and the option "neither" or "I didn't have breakfast" should be available, although neither is offered by the question. Does that make sense? I'd need to look back to recall what the specific game situation was. While playing a game with strangers on the internet, I'm certainly doing some level of role playing. (Although less intentionally the last few days than initially). But, I certainly was not adopting a persona to the degree that I have in some previous games. Still, my style changes somewhat every game. Keeps things interesting (primarily for me). While the switch happened later, there was discussion about who to lynch instead of Marinated the moment that she revealed her vote was stolen. A few posts up, Sets indicates he'd rather lynch Crazy, doesn't see momentum there, and maybe we could get a lynch through on Tae. I as certainly more suspicious of twopatch, but didn't see the lynch going to him. Crazy, Yasmi, and Tae were the names on the table. I voted Crazy, dida quick look again at Tae, and concluded that I was retiring for the Dau with my vote on Crazy. Context is important.
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