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Post by Jolyma on May 3, 2013 17:18:48 GMT -8
Well, if we're playing hypothetical, I'd say ban a low content so that you can vote whereever you'd like, without having to justify it.
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Post by Riku on May 3, 2013 17:39:36 GMT -8
That's true in a general sense, but I think the combination of that with Sets specifically saying that he will vote based on the ban is either cleverly set up by him in order to induce this reaction or an indication that he didn't carry out the ban. I'm leaning towards the latter.
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Post by yasmi on May 4, 2013 4:42:34 GMT -8
You are right Riku I aint totally here specially cuz i completely forgot bout this game initially and accidentally peaked in the thread and saw game had started.
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Post by yasmi on May 4, 2013 4:47:05 GMT -8
That's true in a general sense, but I think the combination of that with Sets specifically saying that he will vote based on the ban is either cleverly set up by him in order to induce this reaction or an indication that he didn't carry out the ban. I'm leaning towards the latter.I dont agree with you rogues, in this case the cat lie. We all haven't posted much specially myself. Cala had not said anything except that she wouldn't be here on the 2nd of May and bam she got banned. I cant see any logic besides that the ban was completely random. I am having difficulties in this role less game with only a few people to find any argument to make a case on someone being a rogue. Since not voting does not help this small pigeon group either I will be deciding in a few hours where to cast my vote. |
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Post by Setsusa on May 4, 2013 5:56:32 GMT -8
For the most part rogues have little to prove until they are threatened. In a 5:1 game, the rogue can just sit back and watch by probability because the town will target someone that isn't the rogue. While rogues do lie when they say they find someone is suspicious, they are forced to. Innocents tell much more unnecessary lies than rogues because they have more to prove with their arguments. Sometimes they trip themselves up in their own falsehoods and people become convinced they are rogues and they get lynched.
The cat has very little middle ground in this game. It'd either need to be really bold like Riku, or really passive. Riku's boldness is the right time to do it, it's not a matter of someone poked him and he went all out, he just did it. It reads null but it's a good play at a good time for a Cat to make in this game.
I don't really understand "I'm not here now because I forgot about the first few hours of the game".
Yasmi, Riku still highest. Then Mari, then Joly.
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Post by Jolyma on May 4, 2013 6:17:38 GMT -8
I'm amused by the fact that Riku is rationalizing Sets sort of the way I'm rationalizing Riku. By saying he could see it as a rogue ploy, but doesn't think it is one.
Yasmi is way under the radar and that bothers me.
Vote: Yasmi
Subject to change, but I can't be sure I'll be here in a few hours or not, it's back to back to back activities until 2:30 eastern.
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Post by yasmi on May 4, 2013 7:09:14 GMT -8
Looks like this pigeon is on the line, a slim one as i see.
5 players left one cat, 4 birds
I know I m a bird so I m left with any other of you 4 players.
Amongst those 4 I am more inclined to believe either Sets or Jolyma are the cat.
Voting Jolyma is absolutely not worth it at the moment since she has no votes, hence I will vote for Sets since Marinated voted there.
I would like to see Marinated pop by the thread and see if she has any more feelings, but in the mean time:
Vote: Setsusa
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Post by Setsusa on May 4, 2013 8:05:44 GMT -8
"I believe Joly/Sets r cat"
"Joly not worth voting"
"I vote Sets"
"I'd like to see mari's reasoning"
wat
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Post by Jolyma on May 4, 2013 9:03:11 GMT -8
I'd sorta like a Why more than a What.
Why do you think it's either Sets or I?
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Post by yasmi on May 4, 2013 9:08:00 GMT -8
truly and honestly: GUT
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Post by yasmi on May 4, 2013 9:36:54 GMT -8
"I believe Joly/Sets r cat" "Joly not worth voting" "I vote Sets" "I'd like to see mari's reasoning" wat Oh and only a cat would parrot a little pigeon and make her look sillier than she already is. GG folks Go get the CAT |
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Post by Marinated on May 4, 2013 11:52:42 GMT -8
That's true in a general sense, but I think the combination of that with Sets specifically saying that he will vote based on the ban is either cleverly set up by him in order to induce this reaction or an indication that he didn't carry out the ban. I'm leaning towards the latter. But don't you think that was an odd thing for him to say? I note that he hasn't actually made any comment on the ban, or said whether or not he did in fact take it into account when deciding on his vote. |
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Post by Jolyma on May 4, 2013 12:03:35 GMT -8
Hmm. I don't think we should miss a lynch again. I find the fact that Sets is pressing that a Cat will be bold interesting, when looking at the point that he said he'd vote based on the ban, and then...well, didn't. He just voted. The fact that the ban gave nothing really lets him vote without having to justify it in relation to the ban.
Vote: Setsusa
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Post by Setsusa on May 4, 2013 12:52:18 GMT -8
Tsk tsk. Another "Sets didn't explain his thought train so we will assume he didn't have one".
I will Vote: Marinated for lack of options. I would still rather vote Yasmi or Riku, and will check in a bit before the deadline to make a change if it will serve any purpose, however I won't be here at deadline and I won't be here for the next few hours. (Steak dinner and then go Leafs!).
Yasmi, I didn't parrot you. I gave you my interpretation of your post and how it was hypocritical.
Why would that be an odd thing to say Mari? Do you think the Cat will out themself in a 2-3 Day span? All I did was think of who I would ban as each person. I think Riku and Yasmi are the likeliest people to ban Cala.
Joly...what? I did. Explanation ^. Why are you drawing that conclusion because I didn't explain how or why I made my decision and therefore saying it was not based on the ban? That's an odd jump to make. And "the fact the ban didn't really give anything" did you expect it to? There weren't many posts and there wasn't much talked about. Of course I can't say I'm as confident about one of Riku/Yasmi as I have been about other early suspicions in other games due to a vast content difference but that is where I am right now. It would make more sense for Riku or Yasmi to ban Cala than it would for you, me, or Marinated. And then again, I know my status anyway. I include myself as a fair cause because I generally try to assess what I've done and see where it would put me on my own suspicion scale if I wasn't me.
I know we need a lynch. If I come back and there is a vote for Riku or Yasmi again, I will move there. I won't be making any ties, and if necessary will vote myself to avoid a possible tie. It's a short game and we do need to lynch, if I need to go down, so be it.
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Post by Riku on May 4, 2013 13:11:33 GMT -8
I don't think it's an incriminating thing to say. I would think it were an odd thing to say had the ban made a solid case for voting someone and he then voted that person. I can't imagine a reason for a Cat to do what Sets has done. The fact that something is an "odd thing to say" is not even remotely a decent justification for a vote. People say "odd things" all the time, but if there is no connection between that odd thing and that person being a rogue, why does it make them one?
Setsusa (3): Marinated, Yasmi, Jolyma
Marinated (2): Riku, Setsusa
Looking at the votes, it seems Yasmi is solidly voting Sets and Joly has previously said that she was leaning pigeon on Marinated, and Marinated obviously isn't going to vote herself.. so it looks like a lynch on Marinated won't happen. I still really don't think Sets is a rogue, and my gut says no on Yasmi even more after her recent posts (the posts about Sets seem pretty much in line with what I'd expect from innocent Yasmi, not rogue Yasmi).
That leaves Marinated, who I currently am voting and think is Cat and it seems won't be lynched toDay, and Jolyma, who I can't remember anyone else being suspicious of.
I don't think a no-lynch is beneficial -- we'll just end up in the same spot we are toDay except down a person.
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Post by yasmi on May 4, 2013 13:25:25 GMT -8
how much longer til deadline? Sets ty for ur constructive post though I do not know why me and riku would be the most likely to ban cala. poor girl has not even had a chance to play the game, that is so unlike me.
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Post by Setsusa on May 4, 2013 13:41:00 GMT -8
Joly wouldn't do it because she would feel awful. Marinated wouldn't do it because she'd rather ban Riku or Joly. I wouldn't do it because I would rather ban Riku or Mari. Cala wouldn't do it cause...you know. Riku would do it because later he could say "Look at this focus on me Day 1, why would I ban someone who wasn't even around than someone talking about me in a short game?" You would do it out of randomness. Truthfully I think Riku is more likely to ban Cala than you but I think you are more likely to be lynched than Riku.
Additionally, my brain tells me that were you the Cat you wouldn't say "I'm not the Cat". It just doesn't think you would do that, but I take it with a grain of salt because people say I'm not a rogue/Cat whether they are or aren't.
I'm not against a lynch of Marinated, I just think Riku and you are more likely suspects at the moment.
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Post by yasmi on May 4, 2013 14:04:34 GMT -8
All your reasoning is making me think you are truly more pigeon than cat. I admit I am always wrong on marinated, you just have to go back and take a look how i always get the opposite erad from what she is. I dont think this is a good reason to switch my vote though. I dont think Riku is a cat - his last post makes me feel that way. That leaves me with Marinated and Joly. I have mixed feelings about both, gah mind stop playing games with me  |
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Post by Marinated on May 4, 2013 14:09:20 GMT -8
I'd be ok with lynching Riku as a second choice but I think its just the two of us so there won't be enough votes there anyway.
My vote was mostly based on who I thought would, or more particularly wouldn't, ban Cala, which is why I think Jolyma and Yasmi are most likely town, and this was backed up by gut feelings based on posts.
I'll be around for a bit longer tonight but the deadline is at 7am for me so I don't know whether I'll be up in time for it.
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Post by Marinated on May 4, 2013 14:36:55 GMT -8
I don't think it's an incriminating thing to say. I would think it were an odd thing to say had the ban made a solid case for voting someone and he then voted that person. I can't imagine a reason for a Cat to do what Sets has done. The fact that something is an "odd thing to say" is not even remotely a decent justification for a vote. People say "odd things" all the time, but if there is no connection between that odd thing and that person being a rogue, why does it make them one? If there was no connection then no, it wouldn't make them a rogue; but I think there may well be a connection, although I agree that by itself it probably wouldn't be enough justification for a vote. But then I don't think anyone has voted him just for saying that. |
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Post by Riku on May 4, 2013 14:41:07 GMT -8
Sets, you really think there's no room for people trying to ban someone other than what would be expected when you clearly stated that you would vote based off of it? (I notice that you mention that if I were Cat, I would have done it out of randomness, but I'm talking about other people here, not me)
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Post by Setsusa on May 4, 2013 15:12:38 GMT -8
I said Yasmi would do it out of randomness.
I was also taking that into account.
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Post by Riku on May 4, 2013 15:29:55 GMT -8
Heh. I read the "You would do it out of randomness" and my brain assumed that since it said "you" it was talking to me. Silly egocentric brain.
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Post by Riku on May 4, 2013 16:32:47 GMT -8
Yasmi, you say your thoughts have changed and for you it's now between Joly and Marinated. Not to put you on the spot here, but I'm totally putting you on the spot. I'm still not suspicious of Sets, so I would obviously much rather see a lynch on Marinated. Right now, the only two options appear to be Sets and Marinated, unless people's opinions suddenly start changing. Are you planning on switching your vote off Sets, and if so, onto Marinated?
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Post by yasmi on May 4, 2013 16:53:45 GMT -8
At the moment order of my suspicions: Joly, Marinated, Sets and you
Putting me on the spot nah its 2 am was hoping to get a coffee and make something better than this but brain pooped.
Still 5 hours left i rather vote Jolyma but yes I will switch my vote of Sets
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Post by Marinated on May 4, 2013 17:32:08 GMT -8
I dozed off but I'm just about here still.
Yasmi, don't let Riku persuade you to change. I don't know why he's defending Sets unless he's the cat and is doing it to reduce suspicion in the next round. If you lynch me I can see him claiming that he wouldn't have been so obvious in pushing a mislynch, and getting away with pushing another one next round.
I still think Sets is slightly more likely to be the cat so I'm keeping my vote there, particularly as I can't see where a third vote for Riku will come from, but if neither is lynched Riku might be a better bet for the final day.
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Post by Riku on May 4, 2013 21:47:01 GMT -8
Or... maybe because I think he's innocent, and I've stated why several times and I haven't seen a single good reason why you think he's a rogue?
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Post by Marinated on May 4, 2013 22:02:14 GMT -8
As I said in post 48, it was mainly process of elimination based on the ban and posts. There's no strong reason for anyone that I can see at the moment but his posts give me most concern.
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Post by Furare on May 4, 2013 22:04:05 GMT -8
End of Day 2. Setsusa: 3 (Marinated, Yasmi, Jolyma) Marinated: 2 (Riku, Setsusa) So Sets is lynched. He was a Pigeon. It is now Night. You may not vote. I need a ban choice by 11am on Sunday 5th. And... now I'm going back to bed.  |
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Post by Jolyma on May 5, 2013 7:50:24 GMT -8
I should have stuck with my original thought. I wish I'd not been so busy last night. I note that Yasmi wanted to vote for the one person who it looked impossible to get lynched. She also says she'll switch her vote off of Sets, but then never does.
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