Furare
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Post by Furare on Jul 1, 2013 15:37:59 GMT -8
So here it is, today's 6 person vanilla game.
Rules: 1. Days last 48 hours. Nights last 12 hours. All deadlines will fall at either 4:30am or 4:30pm Pacific. (12:30pm or 12:30am BST.) 2. You may not vote at night. Otherwise you may post as much or little as you see fit. 3. Bold your votes. (e.g. Vote: Furare) 4. If more than 50% of the town has voted for the same person, that person will be lynched. If not, there will be no lynch.
Player List: Leif Riku Crazy Mg Setsusa Jolyma yasmi
Your lynch deadline is July 3rd at 4:30pm PDT. You require 4 votes to get a lynch.
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Post by Setsusa on Jul 1, 2013 17:34:22 GMT -8
FIRST!!!1111111111
Similar to last game I won't be around from 7-5 EST Mon-Friday ever because I'll be at work. Or is it EDT technically?
Also as per last game behaviour, Vote: CrazyMG
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Post by Crazy Mg on Jul 1, 2013 17:55:05 GMT -8
I shall take that vote as a sign you missed me. <3
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Post by Jolyma on Jul 1, 2013 20:39:33 GMT -8
I'm here.
Vote: Setsusa
Anyone who uses that many ones has to be a rogue. Also, he doesn't even know what time it is. Tsk tsk.
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Post by Riku on Jul 1, 2013 21:10:42 GMT -8
Vote: Jolyma
Conga line?
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Post by yasmi on Jul 2, 2013 1:47:14 GMT -8
Vote: Riku
/e gets in the conga line ;D
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Post by Crazy Mg on Jul 2, 2013 2:14:21 GMT -8
More like a "vote ya" line, than a conga line. Or should we start dancing?
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Post by Leif on Jul 2, 2013 5:34:10 GMT -8
So why didn't Crazy vote Yasmi?
Vote: Yasmi
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Post by Jolyma on Jul 2, 2013 12:31:56 GMT -8
She's the rogue! ZOMG!!!
*dances to the music in her head!*
vote: Leif
I guess we should probably get serious about this.
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Post by Riku on Jul 2, 2013 13:57:24 GMT -8
Probably.
So, 5 innocents, 1 rogue. Lynch Day 1 means we only get 2 Days. Which means the game will be over in approximately 3 and a half calendar days. A lynch shouldn't be out of the question, but I'm much more reluctant to in light of that. (Yes, I know I said this the first game when I was a rogue, but that doesn't mean I don't agree with it)
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Post by Leif on Jul 2, 2013 14:14:50 GMT -8
Yeah, I'm fine waiting a day. I think it makes sense given the numbers.
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Post by Setsusa on Jul 2, 2013 16:52:51 GMT -8
Riku is clearly the rogue based on repeating previous rogue behaviour and pointing out he is repeating previous rogue behaviour.
Same goes for Leif. TWO ROGUES I KNEW IT.
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Post by Leif on Jul 2, 2013 17:10:56 GMT -8
You know, it makes me wonder a bit if it's better to lynch today and pass tomorrow. That way we spend the double-day with actual information from the lynch and ban.
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Post by Riku on Jul 2, 2013 18:55:20 GMT -8
That's certainly an interesting idea in theory, but in practice... we have less than 21 hours till deadline. I find it unlikely that 4 of us (more than 50%) will be able to agree on someone to be lynched. Although that would definitely be an interesting discussion.
Another thought: what if we all agree to fakevote:someone by the end of the Day? Would the information from who "votes" who be more helpful to the innocents or the rogue? Probably more helpful to the rogue, actually, considering there is no threat of a lynch and so they know the voting is entirely for information purposes. So, nevermind on that.
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Post by Setsusa on Jul 2, 2013 19:21:36 GMT -8
Leif, I follow what you're saying but I think I disagree in principle. You're saying that if we have a "double day" with the order of lynch -> ban -> no lynch -> ban -> lynch we would be more successful than if we were to go no lynch -> ban -> lynch -> ban -> lynch, correct?
In this case we are effectively trading a person and their thoughts for at least one day to see who all of us voted on day one with little information and which of us were wrong/right. Which, with the voting rules for 4 of us to vote the same person toDay to get the lynch if we lynch the rogue yay we win, but in the more likely case where 4 of us vote an innocent there are few scenarios.
All 5 non-lynchee people vote the lynchee. We're all wrong. Four people vote the lynchee not including the rogue. How do we come to the conclusion they are the rogue because they didn't vote the lynchee who is revealed as innocent? Would the rogue not be inclined to get lynch -> ban -> lynch -> ban to win in two Days as opposed to three? Four people vote the lynchee, including the rogue. An innocent does not vote the lynchee. How do we read this person? Do we proclaim they are innocent due to situation two and that the rogue must be one of the four lynchee voters?
That's how I see it panning out at least and I'm not overly clear on how it's better to have fewer people toMorrow than to put ourselves down a person and into the above scenario. Perhaps I'm missing something, so if you could explain the advantages you see that'd be useful.
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Post by Jolyma on Jul 2, 2013 19:56:35 GMT -8
Erm, Riku, haven't we already been fakevoting someones? I can't speak for others I guess, but I was pretty much goofing off.
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Post by Crazy Mg on Jul 2, 2013 19:58:21 GMT -8
So why didn't Crazy vote Yasmi? Cause Sets voted me and I didn't want to exclude you from the fun by making a circle without you. <3 ~~~ I agree with Sets, I don't see how it puts us in a better situation. ~~~ I had also managed to completely forget I was playing despite having a tab open. Opps.
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Post by Riku on Jul 2, 2013 20:03:57 GMT -8
We've been doing real votes for fake intentions. I meant fake votes but real intentions.
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Post by Jolyma on Jul 2, 2013 21:59:41 GMT -8
It's late, but I'm not sure I get that. I'll revisit it in the morning when I have a brain again.
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Post by yasmi on Jul 3, 2013 3:45:49 GMT -8
its morning and i have no brain and unfortunatly also abit less of my tooth.... I agree with Sets that it is going to be hard to get 4 of us voting for the same person.
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Post by Leif on Jul 3, 2013 6:35:08 GMT -8
Leif, I follow what you're saying but I think I disagree in principle. You're saying that if we have a "double day" with the order of lynch -> ban -> no lynch -> ban -> lynch we would be more successful than if we were to go no lynch -> ban -> lynch -> ban -> lynch, correct? Basically, my thought is that sandbagging day 1 is basically a lost day. Historically, very little seems to happen. We gain in numbers but not much else. I was just kicking around the idea if the no-lynch day might be more productive if we actually had something to talk about. The list of scenarios here basically pans out to, "How do we play the game?" Narrower focus and more information on for the time period where we have the most times between lynches.
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Post by Leif on Jul 3, 2013 7:19:52 GMT -8
Thinking about it, I think it's probably better to have the 2 votes closer together. I maintain that Sets' reasoning is specious, but given the paucity of voting chances, we probably get farther with them right next to each other.
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Post by Riku on Jul 3, 2013 10:30:43 GMT -8
Man, specious and paucity in one sentence? FoS Leif, has access to my list of favorite words and is using them in order to subconsciously gain my trust.
Joly, to clarify, I meant basically figuring out who we would lynch today as a town without actually doing the whole nasty dirty lynching bit. However, I then remembered that when I played this size game as a rogue, having that information (that information being who wanted to vote whom) was the reason I was able to survive. I figured the cons outweigh the pros.
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Post by Furare on Jul 3, 2013 15:38:33 GMT -8
So that's the end of Day 1, and I don't think anyone got enough votes to be lynched.
Crazymg: 1 (Setsusa) Jolyma: 1 (Riku) Riku: 1 (Yasmi) Yasmi: 1 (Leif) Leif: 1 (Jolyma)
No lynch.
Day 2 will begin on July 4th at 4:30am PDT. Until then, you may post but not vote.
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Post by Setsusa on Jul 3, 2013 15:50:48 GMT -8
I had to look up what specious and paucity meant. Go me.
One thing that slipped my mind while focusing on what Leif had suggested is that we do have the option of no lynch, no lynch, no lynch, lynch and no lynch, no lynch, lynch. I think personally the former is more attractive if we were to choose to go one of these routes. Had you considered these Leif, or written them off entirely?
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Post by Leif on Jul 3, 2013 16:04:32 GMT -8
Basically, I think votes are too useful to skip one entirely. Without actually voting, I think most people will tend to be fairly reserved for the whole game, so as to avoid advancing something likely to get banned. It only really gets to be useful if everyone buys into it, and I find that unlikely.
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Post by Setsusa on Jul 3, 2013 16:52:47 GMT -8
That sort of confuses me because it was that which lead to an opportunity to determine your alignment last game, and the town's victory.
Head scratcher because rogue Leif shouldn't say "Well what caught rogue Leif last game isn't likely to work" but I don't really get why innocent Leif would say it as well.
It's obviously not the only option and arguably not the best but if I'm reading it right, you think for sure that lynching twice or more in this game is better than being careful and complacent and leaving it for the end? I feel like I'm repeating myself, but in a small game the rogue has no allies and has to blend in on their own. It's a double edged blade to reduce our numbers against the rogue but the extra days in my opinion give the rogue more opportunity to slip up and us to catch them.
That said, if further Days contain similar or less content as this one we might be better off to just lynch randomly and hope for the best.
I'd like to say that I'm suspicious of Leif and Riku, but that's more or less because they've said things that have given me opportunity to find suspicion while Yasmi, Jolyma and Crazy were fairly quiet in our first Day. I'd expect Crazy to be more vocal in this game after her "You missed me!" opening, Joly is busy with her play and Yasmi is Yasmi. So I guess that makes my list some sort of combination of Leif, Riku and Crazy of people I need to think about their actions to decide whether they are suspicious like I currently think they are and how much so. I also get a separate list of Joly and Yasmi that goes a little like "Test, one, two three. Response?"
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Post by Crazy Mg on Jul 3, 2013 18:18:51 GMT -8
I don't think having one shot at a rogue is a good idea. I also have no idea what happened last game.
@sets Gotta love, Yasmi is quiet and therefore being Yasmi, while Mg being quiet means ROGUEEEE!!! like every game with you.
Joly hasn't said much but I feel something is off. I'm not suspicious of Sets, which makes me want to be. Keep going backwards and forwards over Leif.
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Post by Setsusa on Jul 3, 2013 18:34:22 GMT -8
Yasmi usually doesn't say much. Wouldn't you expect someone who starts with "You missed me!" to have intentions to make their presence felt?
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Post by Crazy Mg on Jul 3, 2013 19:21:46 GMT -8
I said that only because you voted me right off that bat.
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